AMD Announces Ryzen 7 3700X, 3800X and Ryzen 9 3900X

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  1. Astyanax

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    Optical media uses an block/address file system with an index in the initial track so you don't have to read the entire content of a file to get to the part you want.
     
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    But he said CL14 3600. I haven't even seen that any exists. If it does newegg's filtering doesn't even have it listed. CL16 3600 would be equal to about 3200 CL14 as far as latency, so would be understandable. CL14 3600 would be like CL12 34200, which doesn't exist in DDR4, at least.
     
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    thanks.
     
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    So any other opinions on what I should do about RAM? To recap, I have g.skill 32gb 3200 CL15. That's not a common combination of specs there, so I am unsure what I could even sell it for.

    Some think I should sell and buy something from QVL. Some think I should open and try it, but problem there is it would lose value by being opened.

    Mine is Samsung b die. So that's a plus. But g.skill only lists pretty ancient chipsets as compatible officially.

    I would "like" to probably get 3600 CL16 or CL17 or maybe even CL18 would be good enough? But they typically only have good prices on 16gb kits and then I'd probably lose a lot in selling my current one.
     

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    Thanks. As far as those speeds, I am just nervous OCing above the listed speed, just as I don't plan to OC the cpu, either, because I feel like for my particular use the gains aren't enough to be worth risking lowering component lifetime.

    The actual listed specs on mine are indeed 15-15-15-35 and 1.35v, but what's weird is even though I have read that timings being the same like that on the actual specs is what means it will be Samsung b die, some kits have been shown as Samsung b die where the timings weren't the same... such as 16-18-18.

    I know you're talking about manual settings, but it just reminded me of that situation with listed specs.
     
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    Reason I was considering it was more that I was already worried the kit won't be stable because not all kits are the same even if Samsung b die, so just has me nervous.
     
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    So would you be 100% confident dropping 4000+ mhz ram into your X470 build?
     
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    you did say most of ram issues were fixed with x470. You said the ram issues that Ryzen had were long gone now. You even said with x470 bios updates and AGESA unicode updates, ALL OF THE ISSUES HAVE BEEN CORRECTED. You're speculating. On top of that, you're urging people to buy fast ram now. Based on exactly nothing. Bit over the top, honestly.
     
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    Literally here. You're telling people to buy fast ram. Any more questions?
     
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    You said that all the ram issues were fixed with bios and AGESA updates for x470. And urged people to buy fast ram for x570. Based on nothing.
     
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    Some people claim the cpu will allow RAM to work better, regardless of whether it's x570 or x470, but who knows... like I said, AMD did say the cpu would run the same on all of those mobo versions, but there's obviously got to be limits, for instance pcie 4 devices would work better on the x570, so not sure exactly what they are guaranteeing to work the same.
     
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    lol

    Also, what is up with all the "BS" and "F" word talk? Are we in Fortnite chat or something?
     
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    AMD told me how the boot kit process works and said it comes with thermal solution. Why would thermal solution be needed? Don't all low end cpus come with cooler already attached? Part of why I even went with amd was to avoid aftermarket coolers and I sure am not going to buy one just for a boot kit...

    Also, you can't request one unless you already have the new cpu. So I can't even start the process and get my motherboard ready until july!

    I'd be better off to return my mobo and buy another when the cpu releases, hoping the mobo I get at that time will already be compatible (going to be a crap shoot, since nobody will know when ordering onlineā€¦). But the problem there is I got the asus b450-i for $120. Normal price is $160, I think. I'd be risking higher cost by waiting to get a mobo later.

    I was tempted to get the x470-f, anyway, but that was when it was on sale for $160, whereas now it's close to $200.

    If newegg would do a really good combo deal from day 1, maybe I'd just take the x570... just not going to at the $250 prices. it would have to be a good enough one for maybe $180 after some discount, then I'd just do that.
     
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    Cool, I see if I go with AMD I will be getting bad support... They just give me lame responses and linked me to the x570 details page when asking them about updating my older mobo.

    I don't have enough problems as it is, so now asus and amd are going to give me more problems figuring out how to get an updated b450 or x470. I'm going to have now ay to know if a mobo ahs already been updated or not when buying online, which is the only place I can buy one.
     
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    3600 Cas 14 was some new stuff showed off by GSkill at Computex. 3600 CAS 16 will likely be good kit as well, I currently use it on my 9900K. I paid $250 for this GSkill Tridentz RGB when memory prices were jacked. A few weeks ago I saw it for $180. For whatever reason right now the kit is out of this world overpriced likely due to some shortage or discontinuation even. 3200 Cas 14 is good stuff (I run on my 2700X) and will likely still be good on Zen 2, Tridentz RGB is $165 on Newegg which is pretty fair compared to the $220 I got it for back on black Friday. I found 3000 Cas 14 of the same series for $137 on newegg. These are not terrible prices and should represent good memory for Zen 2 as well. It will be interesting to see how Zen 2 performs on different memory types and there is new stuff coming like GSkill's Neo memory. One thing to keep in mind is the 9900K requires good memory to extract the most out of it as well so it's not really a dividing factor anymore. Dual channel DDR4 seems to be reaching its limit in certain cases. Even my 3600 Cas 16 memory can limit the 9900K and represents a solid middle ground in the applications effected by memory performance.

    3000 Cas 14 16GB Red $117 https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb...s 14&cm_re=3000_cas_14-_-20-232-225-_-Product
    3000 Cas 14 16GB RGB $137 https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb...s 14&cm_re=3000_cas_14-_-20-232-487-_-Product
    3000 Cas 14 32GB Black $215 https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232214

    3200 Cas 14 16GB (RGB) $165 https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb...&cm_re=amd_3200_memory-_-20-232-649-_-Product
    3200 Cas 14 32GB (Black) $260 https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232218
     

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    If you have an existing B450/X470 just go download the latest bios from their website. If you are building all new I would just get X570 really.
     
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    GSkill was showing two systems running on 3600 14-14-14-34 1.4v at computex. This is either new memory or an OC but either way it represents what I think will be a good spot for Ryzen. It was't clear in the information I saw whether it was a kit or a tweak for those timings. The most interesting part is Gskill had several fantastic memory clocks on 2000 series (yes 2000) CPUs running on X570 boards. Also keep in mind that anything over 2133 Mhz 1.2v is considered an OC for DDR4 and represents binned products with profiles they should run at provided other system compatibility.
     
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    I can't. I don't have a CPU. I have the mobo in anticipation of the cpu purchase. So I need a way to update BIOS. And since they send thermal solution that must mean it doesn't have a cooler on it? So only people with aftermarket coolers could use it??? I'm not going to go buy a cooler just to be able to update the BIOS so now I am about assuming I'll have to return the b450 and wait.
     
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    No I'm not. Most places I know of that sell them don't let you return them once opened. Newegg doesn't, at least (plus I have returned a lot of parts to newegg lately). And then I'd be out return shipping, as well.

    They said the cooler they send out (AMD) is an "AMD AM4 A-Series processor". Do those not have coolers? I assume not or why would they bother sending thermal compound?
     
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    why in the world does nobody have these cpus up for preorder when they know the release date already? Last thing I want is it to be like intel 8th gen releases where stores price gouged due to high demand and them selling out.
     
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    yes it is needed... Asus said get a boot kit. AMD told me which level of cpu you get in the boot kit. I asked about it. If that is the way you're "supposed" to do it, then the question is relevant.

    And now asus is giving me bs answers, as well. They say no BIOS update has even been released for their mobos, yet their site ahs a chart showing each model's BIOS that makes it compatible with 3xxx.
     
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    Also, amazon doesn't have free returns. Any item with free returns says it on the product page, which those cpus do not. Not even sure if they can be returned, for that matter, but probably.
     
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    Nah. It's not always free returns. Also, if you posted that suggestion some places, people would be lecturing you. I was just researching where I could return one and on reddit everyone is going on and on about how unethical it is to return a used cpu to amazon. :p

    So hopefully someone will answer me... Surely AMD wouldn't send a cpu that requires your own cooler when they know themselves that the new cpus ,made by THEM, have coolers already. They can't assume ALL will use an aftermarket cooler, or they'd not even be including one at all.
     
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    lol. yeah that is the only solution... cheat Amazon. So much easier than answering the question as to whether the kit sent form the OFFICIAL free way of updating it will have a cooler or not. Your answer on RAM isn't correct, either. Some do still have issues even on ryzen 2 with Samsung b die. It's not any guarantee that it works.
     
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    I keep asking for someone else to answer. You already gave your opinion. That's a bigger hassle (and risk, as they can ban you, as mentioned on reddit, and as they have done to me before for too many returns). You can keep saying how dumb thw question is all you want, but it's the official way to update them, as both asus and amd told me.
     
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    It's not really cheating, it's just exercising your rights. On ram, yeah, you're right.
     

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