AMD announces Radeon VII (7nm)

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  1. vbetts

    vbetts Don Vincenzo Staff Member

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    I really love how instead of listening when a staff member asks you to do something, you do the opposite.
     
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    Alright Mr., if you feel unease with my attitude excuse me, I'm sorry. I have always had a love hate relationship with any kind of authority. :D

    I'll watch silenty the thread, I made enough noise already, I can't blame you or any other members.
     
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    That makes sense, you're probably right. But that makes the whole release unnecessary, doesn't it? Why release something that costs a lot more than the competitor's previous gen, if you can't beat them in performance and/or power consumption?
    The answer to this used to be the price to performance ratio. But at 699$, tha is not your advantage anymore, and neither is performance and power consumption. How are you going to beat the competition?
     
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    Well as it stands right now you can't find 2080's for $700 - most are closer to $760+. Also it comes bundled with 3 free games - so if you were going to buy those games anyway the cost is far cheaper than 2080. Then obviously some people are going to just prefer AMD to Nvidia for whatever reason - so you'll capture some of those people. Also the card is arguably better than the competition for compute/workstation for the price especially with the 16GB of HBM so you'll get sales there.

    Plus this card is just a rebrand of the Instinct MI50 - which is why the card actually exists because it is competitive in that market for the pricepoint.

    So yeah while it's not great it's not like completely pointless. They are probably just using it to tide them over to Navi.
     

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    Great AMD can save me the trouble, keep the games & start selling the card at $519 :rolleyes:
     
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    I wonder if the VII can be hacked into a MI50 to save costs for data centers or other professional applications. The MI cards cost $ thousands.
     
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    I think that FP64 performance is cut down. But one never knows.
    If FP32 and lower is needed, then one can just plug and play.
     
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    It might be similar to Nvidia's Titans, which are seen as prosumer cards. In that sense, Vega 7 is a great bargain as an entry-level prosumer card. As others have said, I'd like to see some professional benchmarks for it.

    I think this thread shows the frustration of gamers. For the past three years we have seen zero progress in terms of performance per dollar. Vega 7 offers the same level of performance as a 1080 Ti for the same price and is deemed a failure because of that. Of course Nvidia is no better - the 2080 also delivers the same level of performance as a 1080 Ti for the same price, and should also be considered a massive fail. Neither company is delivering worthwhile products at this time and we have essentially plateaued.
     

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    This card is a way to recoup some money from defective dies that otherwise would be completely wasted. This way they can salvage the GPUs that have small defects (not completely functional) and can´t be sold as the MI50/60 cards and make some money by selling them as gaming cards. Normal stuff in the silicon industry.

    As for using HBM2 instead of GDDR6, that´s probably the only possible way to follow. Redesigning a new memory controller for GDDR6 would probably cost a lot of money and the performance increase would be minimal. And there´s a chance that HBM2 and GDDR6 have a very similar cost.
    I also remember reading when HBM was launched that AMD was tied to a long term contract that force them to buy a certain amount of HBM memory no matter what but i could be wrong about this. So financially it would make little sense to switch memory types.
     
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    It's still disappointing when you compare to Ryzen. I bought a Ryzen 7 1800x in 2017 and paid 440$ CAD for it (which was the equivalent of around 332$ USD back then so less expensive than a ****** RTX 2600 for what was pretty much a high end cpu). I mean yes it was not as good as the best Intel offering in games but it was close at 2k resolution and up and it did beat fair and square the equally priced Intel cpus in productivity. I could have got better with Intel but it would have cost me more (for the cpu and the ecosystem). That was a great CPU for a great price and forced Intel to remove his hands from his pockets. Intel reacted pretty much right away and launched new cpus.

    I just don't see it with this new GPU. I mean technically speaking it doesn't look that bad. It looks like it will perform like a 2080 for around the same price. But it's not a cheap GPU by any mean and cheaper versions should not be good enough for 4k or high refresh rate. A price of 599 with 2080 performance was what i expected. 699 is a lot of money for something that deliver just proper performance. It wont force nVidia to revise his pricing much.
     
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    This + 1000.

    That's exactly how i feel.
     
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    RTX and the new vega are really not exciting, the prices are through the roof with barely any significant progress.

    Kudos for AMD matching or slightly beating 1080ti, with 7nm after two years...
     
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    Never thought I'd see the day where I am hoping INTEL revitalizes the GPU market..
     

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    I still wonder what are people actually expecting from a company with so little cash as AMD. Things do not change fast after they get some cashflow. They've been doing the same gpu since 2013 pretty much with minor improvements here and there because lack of resources and then going to 7nm with it getting more performance for same wattage as their previous iteration. Going down a node won't bring magic boost to anything. If nvidia made a 7nm turing it wouldn't make it magically go loads faster if it had the same configuration.

    We might see something new with Navi or we will see around the same time when Intel releases something. AMD has been fighting pretty damn effectively with no money compared to Intel and Nvidia on both fronts it's rather amazing.
     
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    I'm expecting them not to be 2.5 years late with a product, supply jack for stock which is instantly bought out by criminals/miners, then release the same crap shrunk down 2 years later at an insane price.
     
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    In the current market for crypto I don't think many people will rush out to buy a $700 GPU with an estimated 800+ day return on investment.
     
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    I thought mining was almost dead with GPU's. Every time i read the news, there's always huge amounts being lost percentages wise. This is the last sort of news any gamers would want. GPU prices are already stupidly over the top.
     
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    They are not late. They have no insane price. They just did not release product you want for yourself.
    On Gaming side Vega 56/64 was not exactly good for the price, but did well on compute side. And same can be said for Radeon 7.

    Get some hardware enthusiasm and kick some "game is only thing that matters" ass. AMD could have give you great gaming GPU in case they had enough money to design 2 completely separate lines of GPUs. As they would replace computational capability for rendering oriented architectural blocks.
    But they did not and do not have that money. And that compute part is reason why they managed to sell those GPUs at higher profit margins than gaming GPUs to gamers.

    And if there was not that other, more profitable part, there would not be AMD today. As those GPUs kept AMD afloat in darkest of Bulldozer's days.
     
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