AMD Announces Radeon RX 5600 XT 6GB at 279 USD

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  1. Mundosold

    Mundosold Member Guru

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    Here is why people are upset (with both the 5500XT and 5600XT), and why it absolutely is on AMD and not nVidia.
    The stagnation we are seeing is not typical. If you have been into PC gaming for the last 20 years, it is easy to see.
    GTX 1070 launched June 2016 for $399. Over 3.5 years later we are getting the 5600XT for $279, which will perform within 10% of the GTX 1070 (since the 1660Ti is a tad behind the 1070).

    Compare that to the 8800 GTS 640. That launched in November 2006 for $399, and did about 260 GFLOPS. 3.5 years later, the GTX 470 had launched in March 2010, also at $399. The GTX 470 had 1088 GFLOPS.
    So in 3.5 years, at the same price point ($399), we saw that price point move from 260 to 1088 GFLOPS. RAM increased from 640MB GDDR3 to 1280MB GDDR5. It is not a stretch to say that GTX 470 was 400% the performance of a GTS 640. And this was with the 8800 GT (a legendary price/performance card) and 9000 series (which was a rebadge) and 200 series all coming between those two. Also had the GT 430 launch, which also did about 260GFLOPS the GTS640 did, for $79. The old $399 card became a new $79 card. The new $399 card was 4x the performance of the old $399 card.

    What does $399 get you today? 2060S or 5700XT. A gain of.... 20%. That is a joke. 300% increase in 3.5 years, to 20% increase in 3.5 years. Everyone knows Nvidia is gouging. And the only company that can stop that is AMD - which has chosen NOT to stop it. The RX 480 launched in June 2016 at $199. The RX 580 is a rebadge. 3.5 years later.. they launched the 5500XT, for $199. Offering literally almost the same exact performance as the 480 did, 3.5 years ago, for the same price. And now they launch the 5600XT, which will have LESS price/performance than the existing 1660S, at $279. They also did the same with the Radeon VII, only MATCHING what Nvidia had given us instead of undercutting them.

    So in 3.5 years, the old $399 card became.. $279. The new $399 card (2060S or 5700XT) is 1.2x the performance of the old $399 card. AMD is NOT pressuring Nvidia at all. Since Nvidia is king, it is up to AMD to challenge them - and for whatever reason, they are choosing not to. If you want to hate nvidia, that's fine, but giving AMD a free pass is idiotic, they are doing the same thing. They wait for nvidia then they make their move to only match them. See how they were originally going to launch the 5700 series more expensive too, until Nvidia announced Super then they magically were able to cut prices by $50 two days before launch.

    We need ACTUAL competition and AMD isn't providing it.

    And honestly I think this is the result of whales. When mining was a big thing, miners bought out all the cheap cards. The ones who made $400 cards cost $800 and $600 cards cost $1300 were not the miners, because those would NEVER reach ROI even at peak. It was the 'gamers'. Whales. People who say "well this is my hobby so $1200/year isn't so bad for the hardware". Nvidia AND AMD realized that whales would in fact pay much more for their cards, and they both decided to take advantage of that. People like to complain about EA, Activision, Blizzard, Microtransactions etc, but if they weren't BUYING, then those companies wouldn't be using that model because they'd make no money. Yet they are making money so obviously a lot of whales are out there. Maybe they can start selling GPUs in Loot Boxes. $20 a box, each box has a 0.01% chance of a 3080Ti! Get to buying.
     
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  2. Shakey_Jake33

    Shakey_Jake33 Master Guru

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    Yep, I'm genuinely worried about the direction that graphics cards are going in terms of price. I know the days when we could buy a Radeon 9800 Pro for $199 are long gone, but it does seem like both Nvidia and AMD are quite happy to let the prices increase since Nvidia can charge what they want while AMD know they still have their own dedicated audience who will go AMD either way and shift a decent number too.

    I got an RX 480 back on release, admittedly a bit swept away by the hype. It didn't live up to that, but I was relatively happy with the price per performance (albeit maybe should have waited for the 1060). Fast-forward to 2019 and I had to go up a price tier to the RTX 2060 to get something that would be more than a sideways step from what I already owned. I don't necessarily regret that either as I genuinely wanted ray tracing, and I got a decent factory overclocked card which I then overclocked further myself. But it was still a price increase over the card it was nominally replacing. But here's the thing - AMD's RX 5x00 cards may have spooked Nvidia into releasing the Super cards, but it has NOT spooked Nvidia enough to consider a price drop, instead choosing to flood the market with cards to capture every price segment and simply choke AMD by being present in every single price catagory. None of AMD's offerings have done remotely enough to pressure Nvidia to reduce prices, and AMD simply offering cards that are 'as good' late into the game. What are we reasonably expecting from the 5900? We'd be lucky to get performance on par with the base 2080 given where the 5700 XT currently lies in terms of performance.

    Perversely, the best value for money right now is buying a base 5700 and flashing it to an almost-XT. If I already owned a 1070 or higher, I wouldn't be considering any new card at all.

    We need AMD to do to Nvidia what they've done to Intel.
     
  3. Fediuld

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    The comparisons you put there do not reflect the prices.
    Good AIB 5700XT in UK goes for £350, 2070S cheapest £450.
     
  4. Maddness

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    It might take a while but, hopefully Intel of all companies might end up bringing some price competitiveness to what's currently happening.
     

  5. KissSh0t

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    5500 XT for me are $399, and that's a 4GB 128bit memory bus part.... wtf..

    I can see this 5600 XT being like $500 to $600 for me.

    The miners screwed up everything.... I don't think I'll buy new video cards going forward.
     
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  6. Maddness

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    Yeah where I'm from the 4GB 5500 is more expensive than an 8GB 580 that is faster. AMD priced these way to high.
     
  7. Undying

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    Prices are inflated here as well but not to the point you cant cant a even afford rx5500.

    5500 4gb 220$
    5500 8gb 255$
    1660S 270$

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  8. KissSh0t

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    For me it's not about being unable to afford it, it's more to do with seeing each performance bracket of video card being more expensive compared to what they used to be... since the miner craze the prices were inflated and since then even though the miners aren't gobbling up everything like they used to and the retailers don't want to bring the prices back to normal, to them the high is the new normal.... if that makes sense?
     
  9. anticupidon

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    Well guys, I am bombarded with offers from one e-tailet selling the XFX RX 580 8GB for 149€ brand new.
    Really, I am on the verge of buying it.
    Spending 279 € for 5600 and not getting 8GB VRAM and 256 width bus sounds a bit ...
     
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  10. Undying

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    Thats a great deal man. 580 can still game and with a slight overclock it has the same performance as 590. I would not recommend it if your playing at 1440p but 1080p only.
     

  11. jbscotchman

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    If you can get the 5600xt then I would wait a bit Regardless of the vram or bandwidth it will destroy a 580 in any game at any resolution.
     
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    you could always get a cheap RX470 8GB if all you care about is v-ram and 256bus...
     
  13. Undying

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    Lack of gpu power makes no difference with the 470 but the 580 8gb can make a difference in few games like Gow5, Sottr, Doom compared to 4gb ver.
     
  14. Loophole35

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    All the new cards are relatively over priced. Take the 2070s for example I paid just $50 more three years ago for my 1080ti and have the same performance. The 580/590 is toe to toe with the 5500xt 8GB and 1660s for in a few cases sub $180. I thought we were supposed to get better performance per dollar after a few years. The P/$ has stagnated.
     
  15. anticupidon

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    Ok, I can wait until 5600 is launched and tested. If the card will have decent (not the best) 1440p performance and a lower power draw, I'll consider it.
    But until then I still have to rely on a borrowed GT 210...yeah, isn't ironic to have 3700X sitting near this GPU?
     
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  16. airbud7

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    I wasn't really suggesting a 470...I was saying a larger bus width and more vram doesn't always equal better performance...
    ie: 2060 6GB "192bus" vs RX 470 8GB "256bus"
     
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    Bandwidth and vram capacity is not about better performance, is about removing bottleneck and restrictions. Huge difference between the two.

    If GPU cannot run, like a slow car, putting racing tires will not offer you difference that alleviates the cost. If you go slow, you can turn or run at every difficult place and unfair conditions.

    If GPU can run seriously fast like a race car, putting road tires, will cut speed and slow you down in bottleneck situations like turns and bad weather, but you still get to run fast. Although if you use proper tires, difference will be huge, lesser slow downs. No necessarily much more top speed or acceleration, but for sure best average all around. Day night difference.
     
  18. Rich_Guy

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    Nvidia to drop the price of their year old competing card, to KO it.

    :D
     
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  19. Astyanax

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    the 2060 was never discontinued.
     
  20. Rich_Guy

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    Nope. :p
     

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