AMD also sued for Spectre

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    Not just Intel, chip manufacturer AMD now also has been sued for the Spectre security leak. It is a so-called 'class action' lawsuit filed on behalf of the company's investors....

    AMD also sued for Spectre
     
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    fantaskarsef Ancient Guru

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    Not surprised.
     
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    KissSh0t Ancient Guru

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    Who doesn't like free money?
     
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    Well, at least how it reads, it's in the name of shareholders. I guess it's about how much they get when selling their stocks now. Not sure how that works in detail when it comes to compensation. The only thing I'm sure of is that the lawyers get their money, no matter what.
     
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    Well, that's fair. AMD lied. Cheap moves against Intel got back at them like a boomerang. Karma is a bitch huh?
     
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    Unbelievable.
     
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    fantaskarsef Ancient Guru

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    What's unbelievable about that?
     
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    What AMD lied about?? Honest question, not trolling like someone
     
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    Significant loss yet AMD stocks are higher now than they have been in quite a while :p
     

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    You could read the article, you know...
     
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    This AMD worshiping on computer hardware websites needs to stop, it's getting out of hand. "AMD is the best, they can do no wrong, they are so consumer friendly, they care about the little guy" I see this nonsense constantly. AMD isn't your buddy, it's not a person. It's just a giant corporation like any other, they couldn't care less about you, so why do you care so much about a faceless corporation? If they are getting sued chances are high it's not without reason.
     
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    It's because their slight change in statement regarding variant 2. The lawsuit is a load of bull, if the law firm wins they'll pocket a huge percentage of course. It's all about them seeing some dollar signs and they probably figure AMD is an easier target than Intel. Also, if Intel lose, which they will have a strong chance they might, it very much helps their case against AMD. The case is only going against AMD because of their change of statement. Not sure what happens when there's separate law firms sueing over the same thing. The reason losers are actually the shareholders, since it will affect their prices much more if they lose, and also investors who were pre-2017 as they will get nothing.

    If Intel knew of the issue then there's a case, but of course nobody can sue them directly since there's no loss or damages involved. The only loss or damages involved in reality comes from these law firms sueing them. Maybe they should counter sue the law firm seeing as they are harming investor price.
     
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    I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that anyone's worshipping AMD in this thread. Maybe calm down, you're creating conflict where there's no ground for it.

    As for the news, this smells like a cheap jab on what AMD said with the purpose of making some money.
     
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    Some people love their black and white world, where you need to have a good and a bad guy... forget it, people have been hardcore fanboys of different companies for a long time.
     
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    well the linked article on theregister is gone , guess i wont be reading that lol,

    not sure how they are gonna prove amd did anything wrong, spectre isn't even based on a hw bug, its the consquence of how the effected processors function normally. and amd chose its words very carefully, when speaking about it .

    hard to say how this will go.
     
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    This.

    And some of this, from both sides. Since Ryzen release AMD worship has been out in full market force. Sometimes Intel has their people out. I have no idea why users want to treat tech companies like sports team hysteria.

    AMD did try and deny they were affected by variant 1 and 2 (Spectre). In a year we will likely find out they are vulnerable to variant 3 (Meltdown). For days AMD and the fans said only variant one because AMD used the term "near zero" to describe vulnerability to variant 2. "Near zero" is not "zero". All of this are near zero risk scenarios; that was just misleading semantics. What I don't get is this: why are tech companies always so vulnerable to lawsuits for exploitable flaws? The end user must also take steps to invite that exploit - this stuff doesn't happen logging online to check your bank statement or write a word doc.
     
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    By reading this thread and the equivalent Intel thread from a week ago?

    I don't really see how someone can read those and NOT come to that conclusion. The third comment in this thread is a comment implying that this is an illegitimate suite made by a greedy individual out to get money. The first comment in the Intel thread is essentially "good for them! Teach that evil Intel a lesson! We should all boycott their products until they stop being evil!". Maybe you could say that's just one individual's opinion but it's not. If you look at the comments in both thread there is an consensus in both threads about the intentions of both parties. And this is based solely on an assumption determined by the name of the company in question (as that's the only difference between the two stories). I mean come on man, you can't honestly read those comments and say with a straight face that you don't see what he's talking about. And it's not like this is anything new either. Go back and look at the comment sections on every Intel/AMD related article these past few years (especially since Ryzen came out), the pattern is clear as day in all of them. If the company being accused is Intel they are assumed guilty, if it's AMD they are assumed innocent. Even when evidence exists that contradicts this but especially when there isn't any evidence one way or the other. It's clearly some kind of brand loyalty thing and as someone who builds systems with both brands and doesn't have any particular loyalty to any particular company it just bugs the hell out of me to see it so pervasive here and in many other PC hardware communities. Is he making a big deal about this and probably going to end up starting a flame war in this thread? Yeah, probably. But it needs to stop and pointing it out is the only way I see that ever happening so I'm all for it.

    Edit: Ok I take back that part I said about the consensus in this thread. Some people are starting to read the article and point out that AMD was definitely in the wrong this time. I'm happy to see that. Perhaps things are finally going to change and people are going to start taking to time to read and articles and wait for evidence before jumping to conclusions. At least I hope so. The conspiracy theorist stuff in the Intel thread is still pretty bad though and I'm amazed more people didn't come forward to point that out.
     
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