AGP 1950 vs 7800 question

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  1. alastairg

    alastairg Member

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    Well after all the dabate sparked by me asking about my PSU I finally decided to stick with the company I knew.
    On the second attempt I got a Gainward Bliss 7800GS+ silent 512MB that rivatuner confirms is the full 24pp version (the first with same package, product description and product codes was 20pp !!)
    All seems well with no PSU issues.

    Do I have to OC to see the best from this card ???????

    Should I enable triple buffering to utilise the VRAM better?

    Have I got a real bottleneck with the old P4 3.2 single core CPU ?

    And if anyone is getting this card you will need to check its the full 24 vs 20 pp with rivatuner. This of course may explain why some get good and some great performance

    Finally I have seen no head to heads with the 1950 but pure specs can be found on manufactor/retail sites
     
  2. Zeper

    Zeper Member Guru

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    is 7900gs better than both of them?
     
  3. alastairg

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    AGP.........
     
  4. thecake90

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  5. Barry J

    Barry J Ancient Guru

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    7800gs+

    My Gainward 7800gs+ = (7900gt 512mb gddr3)

    Stock
    Core 450
    Mem 1250
    512Mb GDDR3
    24 pixel piplines
    8 vertex shaders

    3dmark05 around 8000 (only used at stock the day i bought it on single core 3700 also at stock)

    Overclocked (will go higher with a volt mod)
    Core 580
    Mem 1380

    3dmark05 9447 (with dual core cpu @ 2.6ghz)

    Fraps
    BF2 1280-1024 4xAA max ingame settings sound at Ultra
    low 70ish
    High 90ish very rarely goes above 100

    all my games i play at 1280-1024 which is the native resolution of my sony monitor.
     
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  6. Deadman93723

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  7. UG_PL

    UG_PL Banned

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    There are some slow people on that forum.
    Dude your 7800GS is slow a$$.
    So you are telling me that your 7800GS OC can do 15 more FPS then the stock one?

    And who cares if you can OC it. This is like saying my Turbo charged Civic is faster than your Ferrari Enzo.
     
  8. dirtman

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    Like I have said in many post i Just hope my Cpu will not bottleneck this card as soon as i get my hands on one.Right now with my 6800Gt running at 1680x1050 with med settings and 2aa.2af i get around 30 to 45 fps playind dods.So i hope that i could one play with the same settings and have 45 to 60 fps or play will 4aa and 8af,with high settings and get around 30 to 45 fps. :)
     
  9. Deadman93723

    Deadman93723 Ancient Guru

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    My point is, no one has had any real luck overclocking the 1950pro AGP, so my overclocked 7800GS isn't too much slower than it.

    I am not bashing the x1950pro AGP, I'm hoping one will come out that can be overclocked, I would totally get one, I just want to see how much better it can be first.
     
  10. aircool

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    :D i too am getting my hands on one too

    im getting a new cpu and more ram

    another 512 stick and a p4 2.8ghz 533 fsb , ready to overcloock :D
     

  11. InfDaMarvel

    InfDaMarvel Ancient Guru

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    Maybe you need to look around, Ive seen some really really good overclocks. Problem is that the vrams overheat on these cards and limit overclocks but if people get a card that properly cools them (Not Sapphire) or cool them themselves the thing overclocks just fine.
     
  12. Deadman93723

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    I have been looking around, I have not seen much on overclocking it, could you point me in the right direction?

    And, yet again, I'm not saying the 7800GS is better, I'm just saying I want to see some benches that are high enough to warrant spending $250 on another AGP video card.
     
  13. Laykun

    Laykun Ancient Guru

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    No one is forcing you to buy this card? You realise this is aimed at those with 6 series GeForce AGP cards, or x8xx Radeon cards? As in, not you. You have no point, you're just trying to defend your purchase, and don't deny it, it's blatently obvious.

    Some one here may aswell answer your question.

    Yes you'll need to OC this card to see the best of it.

    Triple buffering should only be enabled if you plan to use V-Sync, otherwise leave it off

    Your Single Core P4 3.2 will heavily bottleneck this card in games, and even 3dmark. Especially games like Dawn of War dark crusade and F.E.A.R.
     
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  14. Deadman93723

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    WTF, I said if this card is good enough I would get one, I want something better in AGP than the 7800GS, I'm not ready to upgrade to PCI-E yet, not now, I want to wait for the market to settle from the whole Vista thing first.

    Anyways, believe me or not, I don't give a F**K, I'm not trying to defend the 7800GS.
     
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    Laykun his card will run fear easily ,its gpu intensive n doesnt use the cpu really so he'd have no problem their
     

  16. InfDaMarvel

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    I cant point you to a review because most review sites didn't have support for good overclocking tools at the time but if you ask around the forum I believe there are a few people to get some decent overclocks with the vrms cooled.
     
  17. Deadman93723

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    Alright, I look around, I just want to see what's possible with the 1950pro, thanks.
     
  18. Laykun

    Laykun Ancient Guru

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    F.E.A.R is also CPU instensive. Vertex transformations on the water can kill CPU performance.
     
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    My pc runs fine never falls below 42 FPS with FEAR maxed out
     
  20. Laykun

    Laykun Ancient Guru

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    That all depends on what settings you use, all I can say is that I noticed a difference going from a 2ghz x2 3800 to this 3.4ghz Core 2 duo, especially in the F.E.A.R benchmark. With the settings I use, I used to get minimum 24 FPS, now it never goes below 40 ( think it's minimum 50 something ). But this may just be an experience that I'm having.
     

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