Adverts on G3D - Do we need a solution?

Discussion in 'The Guru's Pub' started by Only Intruder, Oct 29, 2015.

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Are ads acceptable?

  1. Current system is fine, I don't mind the ads

    38 vote(s)
    52.1%
  2. I adblock

    13 vote(s)
    17.8%
  3. I have technical problems with ads

    5 vote(s)
    6.8%
  4. I think there should be more ads

    2 vote(s)
    2.7%
  5. I think there should be fewer ads

    6 vote(s)
    8.2%
  6. I'd rather have a subscription to remove ads

    9 vote(s)
    12.3%
  7. Donation system is fine

    7 vote(s)
    9.6%
  8. Donation system needs overhauling

    13 vote(s)
    17.8%
  9. Other - please specify

    3 vote(s)
    4.1%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Only Intruder

    Only Intruder Maha Guru

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    So, in light of HH's article with regards to the effect adblocking has on G3D and pretty much, any kind of web journalism, his proposal to have us disable or whitelist G3D while honest enough, I personally feel (to put it politely) isn't optimal.

    As we can tell, G3D is using an ad content provider and while HH has set the adverts to deliver related advertisements to the content on G3D, this doesn't always work and varies significantly from region to region, sometimes even giving malicious content without people realising (so, the worst kind).

    Now from our point of view, the end user, adverts pretty much as a scourge. Many people find adverts ruin the overall experience, can cause detrimental performance issues, unnecessarily increase bandwidth, contain potentially compromising content security wise or be irrelevant, so more often people block ads whenever and where they can and as such has knock-on effects which as detailed in HH's article are now proving evident.

    With all that in mind I simply want to explore possible solutions that would be worth considering hence why I've created a poll, it'll at least give everyone an idea of what is needed or not. I've at least tried to give a good range of opinions that can be reflected in the poll too.

    My idea would be to have a simple subscription in perhaps quarterly, bi-annually or annually that would remove adverts from the website for that account holder and perhaps other incentives such as full forum access (where no minimum post count would be required for posting of links and such) it would also give people a responsibility to look after their account on the forums too such as not flaming, causing harassment etc as it would mean they would lose their subscription as a result.

    Others have suggested they'll donate - I don't think this is enough, especially with donation page that is out of the way, it's not reliable and people can easily forget to donate another time.

    Paywalls however will only obfuscate articles, I wouldn't think this would be an option but it does protect articles from being abused.

    Otherwise leave everything as is, but as we know the status-quo is an issue so it seems to me at least that there needs to be some way to explore other options and avenues.

    What would you guys say?

    Edit: I hope this thread is ok and that I'm not stepping on any toes, I do feel it is important to consider though.
     
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  2. WareTernal

    WareTernal Master Guru

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    Maybe do this site as a hobby since nobody is willing to pay for this "service"?
     
  3. HeavyHemi

    HeavyHemi Ancient Guru

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    'Our point of view'. Who else are you writing for? :)
    What is the current ad revenue for this site, do you know?
    Can you cite other examples of websites with similar content being successful with a subscription model?
    Without a few factual metrics to consider, I don't believe an informed opinion or result from this poll will result.
    While I don't have an issue personally with your poll, nothing is perfect. There are always going to be 'issues' as people have their own preferences.
    Do you believe Google for example, would work as well under a subscription model?
     
  4. Illyrian

    Illyrian Master Guru

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    Judging by the original post, and second reply, this thread might as well get locked right now...

    Also it's a useless thread, everyone is discussing this on the main thread anyway.
     
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  5. nexxusting

    nexxusting Banned

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    37% of us think donations would be better!? That's seriously laughable.

    I'm sorry but that is NOT what Guru3D is about. If that happens I will no longer come here as I am an honest person and apparently because I don't pay I don't really get the rights to read reviews, articles, etc. I have whitelisted Guru3D on my PC long ago. I predominantly access the site with my Note series phones so ads are not blocked. It would suck quite a bit if I had to suffer for others being lazy and ignorant. However, if you've spent as long in this world as I have you come to realize that scenario is common place.

    I think, without a doubt in my mind, that HH should see what kind of impact him explaining the situation to us has. To be blunt, if him telling us what he told us does NOT work? Guru3D is a farce except for HH himself (save a few members). Period.

    IMO this is not the time (yet) to be discussing other options....

    ROFL. You don't deserve to even comment if that's the crap you are going to spew.
     
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  6. ManofGod

    ManofGod Maha Guru

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    Ads are fine but, the ones on this site cause a major delay in loading a forum page or main site page. I am sure they can be fixed because Hardforum uses ads and they do not have the page loading issues I experience here.
     
  7. brendanvista

    brendanvista Master Guru

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    I would be happy to pay a fee to remove all ads.
     
  8. Only Intruder

    Only Intruder Maha Guru

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    I think some of you mis-understand my intentions, I wanted to create a poll that would allow for an easier opinion to be shared, that is also dedicated to the subject of readers opinions on adverts.

    As for my subscription idea, it's purely transparent in that a "free" and "subscribed" user would each have exactly the same content, so nothing different, just one browses with ads, the other without, mind you the length of a subscription is another debate entirely, whether it's a one time fee or monthly, quarterly, yearly etc.

    Well this is more about what the reader's feel, so you and I, reader's views on adverts themselves and such.

    As for whether or not the subscription model is successful or not? I don't know but having said that, I recently received an email from Youtube about "Youtube Red" so it is something that's becoming a thing, ad-free subscriptions.

    Don't forget, this is mostly speculative, we can only go by what HH revealed but the fact is that he's found adblocking to have a dramatically negative impact on revenue for G3D.

    Edit: Also I forgot to mention, google isn't exactly a good example to compare with, as it's a directory, it's primary purpose is advertising, G3D is a journalist site providing reviews, news and articles to read.
     
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  9. StewieTech

    StewieTech Chuck Norris

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    My answer is "I'd rather have a subscription to remove ads". I´ve said it before and HH told me to go suck dick, such a classy lad. Currently i don´t use adblock as i am conscious of the importance of ads for a website to exist, there´s no such thing as free cookie i think. I don´t mind the quantity of ads on guru3d atm, i´m just bored of seeing ads for dating sites reminding me of my loneliness.
     
  10. ---TK---

    ---TK--- Ancient Guru

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    Enable the less intusive ads and be done with it, did that a few months ago.
     

  11. DooGie

    DooGie Master Guru

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    To be honest I've enjoyed this site over the last few years that I don't mind disabling Adblock for Guru3d.
    The ads aren't such a big deal here, for me probably delay the main page loading by 1 second.
    I'll see how it goes.
     
  12. Corrupt^

    Corrupt^ Ancient Guru

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    I voted "technical". imo Most ads are annoyingg in the sense that they increase the page loading times.
     
  13. nhlkoho

    nhlkoho Ancient Guru

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    Seriously the ads aren't bad on this site. Just whitelist it or read your news elsewhere.
    It could be a lot worse with ads blocking the review content until you take a survey or something like that.
     
  14. Only Intruder

    Only Intruder Maha Guru

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    The problem with that is, it's region specific, in some countries/regions, the adverts are fine and relevant and sometimes, it just goes titsup and gives you terrible adverts, I've already seen some betting/casino adverts for example.
     
  15. nhlkoho

    nhlkoho Ancient Guru

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    Who cares what the ads are for? As long as they aren't intrusive.
     

  16. DocStrangelove

    DocStrangelove Ancient Guru

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    I dont mind ADs as long as they're unintrusive
     
  17. Vinnie

    Vinnie Ancient Guru

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    I just added Guru3D to the whitelist but I think I am going to remove it from the whitelist again. WAY too many ads. :|
     
  18. H83

    H83 Ancient Guru

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    For me using ads is the best model for sites like this. In my case i don´t use anything to block ads and if i did i would creat an exception to Guru3d.

    Subscriptions would be the death of Guru3d because there´s so much stuff for free in the web, that people aren´t going to pay to read hardware sites. Donations would be even worse, very few would donate and eventually everyone would stop donating...

    So there are only 2 possible "solutions" for this problem, either Hilbert manages to stay afloat with the current ads revenue or he sells Guru3d to someone willing to pay the bills for the site to continue open, like Toms Hardware and others.

    In case Hilbert can´t pay the bills with ads revenue or find someone who pays them for him, them he has to close the site and get on with his live...

    I hope this doesn´t happen but i wouldn´t critize him if he close the site because he´s losing money.
     
  19. scoter man1

    scoter man1 Ancient Guru

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    I always have adblock off, but the only thing I would request is the mouse-over ads be taken away. God those piss me off so much. It's like i have to move my mouse through a maze when I'm reading through posts. If I accidentally touch one of the mouse-over ads

    BOOM

    you lost the game, lol


    edit:

    maybe those are gone now? I haven't seen one for a while.
     
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  20. sverek

    sverek Ancient Guru

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    I disable Adblock on sites I like. Guru3D is one of them.
    Its the least I can do. Sometimes I click ad I am bit interested in, to give click profit.
     

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