Activision Patents Accused of hurting your K/D

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  1. Agent-A01

    Agent-A01 Ancient Guru

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    Sorry but that's all hearsay as far as I am concerned.

    No offense but both of those guys have bad KD of 1.2, which is not someone who has an opinion that I care about.

    Regardless, I watched that first guy you posted and his ping spiked.
    You say others run into the same thing?

    Well for on the UI ping isn't updated every MS so there could be momentary spikes that the game doesn't pick up.
    Packet loss isn't going to show up as ping spike either

    I play with a team on Discord, and something where we all get nerfed as you say would be noticed by us all.. It doesn't happen.

    Btw, Dr Disrespect is a drama queen.. Most of his content is bad anyways and I've seen plenty of his fabricated stories.
     
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  2. Eastcoasthandle

    Eastcoasthandle Ancient Guru

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    But these patents by Activision tell a completely different, aberrant, nebulous yet insidious story. Be it called SBMM or EOMM.

    Anyone remember playing BO4/MW and receiving a pop-up screen asking, "Did you have fun in the last match?". People do wonder why it is happening.
    https://********/j5qPmGq/8dxg91f3gcz31.webp
    Same thing but a bit more straight forward that was was never fully explained through normal channels why people were getting that popup screen. LOL
    From the patent.

    In mw and cw you are put into a position were you are matched enough times to win and lose a match to keep you playing. As long as you start up the game and play again regardless of your gaming experience they consider you as satisfied. Enough to expect you to buy something.

    All this in a attempt to keep you addictive to the game. It is something called Variable Ratio Reinforcement Schedule. In other words if you always win you get bored and stop playing. Same if you lose all the time. But if they create a pattern of you winning then create a higher probability of losing (sweating) subsequent matches you will be addicted to continue playing until you get that win streak again.

    This is why people are saying its all rigged. And why you, who has a 1.0 k/d, well compete against cheaters and other high k/d players. When you original thought you were "protected. Unfortunately that is a lie. You are not protected.

    The algorithm is against you and will put you in the probability to lose until you rage quite (out of the game). When you come back the algorithm says, "Ok, you weren't happy so I'll make it easier on you". And subsequent matches will show the "probability" of you winning or getting a better k/d. It doesn't mean that is what will happen.

    The key here is the "probability". The algorithm will place you in a match with a favorable probability to win when you:
    • Buy from the store
    • When it's "your turn". The algorithm will assume you are getting bored if you don't start winning.
    • Use a particular skin they want you to advert to someone else
    • Lost to many matches and rage quite
    • Etc.
    And a unfavorable probability when you:
    • Win to many matches and higher k/d
    • When you are targeted for Ad Placement: Are you getting killed by the same person with same weapon/skin using the same tracer?
    • When it's "Your Turn". The algorithm will assume you are getting bored if you don't start losing.
    • Etc.
    From the moment you search for a match you are tailored to play the way activision's algorithm wants you to play.
    • Be it you play against bots with 2 or 3 real player on the other team.
    • Be it your opponents have a k/d up to and greater then 2x your own
    • Be it you are put on a team of bots to be Canon fodder.
    • Be it your hitrego, aim and movement is restricted.
    • Be it that you are lag comped
    • Be it you can no longer hear footsteps or the direction of those footsteps...at all.
    • Be it you are lag compensated even though the game isn't P2P and you are not host.
    • Be it you start to kill an opponent who has killed you 3-4 times in a row or vise versa an opponent you've killed 3-4 times in a row they become a bullet sponge or your health is reduced.
    • Etc
    All of this in real time while you are in the match. You're team can be dominated then become dominated on. Are all tactics from their algorithm. Which will circumvent you into their probability statistics of you been addicted to the game. So that you are considered a higher probability of buying into their online store, Battlepass, etc.

    That is the theory. Which is why SBMM Warzone app is important. Even though it can be and will be abuse. If you see that you are in a lobby with 5.0 players you can instantly back out and find something else more of your speed.

    From the patent. And this is only the tip of the iceburg. The algorithm is called the analytics and feedback engine. That is what activision calls it.

    Therefore, the videos, opinions, examples, patents, etc are either Anecdotal, Analogical, Circumstantial or Demonstrative evidence of the patent being used in real time.
     
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  3. Eastcoasthandle

    Eastcoasthandle Ancient Guru

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    Rofl
    All that is required is for you to apply a bit of critical thinking and read the patents as examples in my earlier post. And stop creating strawmen.
     
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    Actually...
    Its you who went for a strawman of "but look over here at these patents" when @Agent-A01 pointed out that a guy with a laughable 1 KD ratio dying due to an obvious ping spike, does not come close to being evidence of super-skilled players getting nerfed.

    You linked god knows how many videos from drama channels with people monetizing their whining, yet not a single shred of video evidence. How's that for a critical thinking?
    What I do not understand is: WHAT'S KEEPING YOU ON THIS CRUSADE? These guys are literally getting paid to promote drama; fuk you're getting from this? The obvious answer is: NOTHING, but you believe in this. Based on nothing but "patents".

    No they're not.
    Show us one, just ONE video demonstrating nerfing of super-skilled player, and be done with it.

    PS
    What "critical thinking"? This is not quantum chromodynamics nor propositions from Wittgenstein. Just some really simple ppl alleging some really simple things. So what kind of critical fuking thinking do you require for something as bog simple as server cheating?.
     
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  5. Eastcoasthandle

    Eastcoasthandle Ancient Guru

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    What a garbage filled response.
    The patents activision has created is found in the game. The videos are demonstrating them through Anecdotal, Analogical, Circumstantial or Demonstrative evidence. Apparently you didn't bother to Google what that means. Let alone understand how a strawman is used in a debate.

    However, when you don't read the patent to critically think how they relate you create a strawman based on someone k/d. And not the experience that relates in how the algorithm works. A person can have a .70 k/d and still experience this phenomenom. Therefore a person's KD has little relevance to the discussion.

    Your rambling, incoherently, doesn't give me the impression that you understand the patent and the examples given in the videos.

    Rofl
    :D
     
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  6. Noisiv

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    What does then? Now they're nerfing everyone?

    Any video demonstrating this, other than random people dying due to ping spikes? Or is "critical thinking" aka "chunky dose of wild imagination" all you have?
     
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    If you can't have a great game from time to time you're not going to be entertained for long and having to die from a lag I would foremost get frustrated with Activision, since it's the problem on their side.
     
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    The videos are demonstrating them through Anecdotal, Analogical, Circumstantial or Demonstrative evidence. Apparently you didn't bother to Google what that means. Let alone understand how a strawman is used in a debate.
     

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