Acoustic attack on HDD can crash a Windows 10 laptop

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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    fantaskarsef Ancient Guru

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    Time to get sound dampened cases? :D
    Why use accoustic attacks on the HDD if you can make the operator sick like in Cuba and just take over the station? :D

    Very interesting though from a physical point, nothing new though. Find the specific frequency, put enough power behind it, works the same with kidney stones and other things in medical therapy for decades.
     
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    And works with resonating parts in phones too. (Issuing silent commands to "assistant software".)
    Can break windows...

    I wonder what happens if you find resonating frequency of wasp body... They are probably not going to explode, but they'll get pretty annoyed.
     
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    Kaarme Ancient Guru

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    The typical 2.5" HDDs are even slower than the 3.5" HDDs, which are already slow. Anyone who really values their laptop would have switched to an SSD long ago. My old Sandy Bridge laptop (with sata 3, luckily) got a new life years ago when I took out the spinner and installed an SSD. Even though it was the infamous Samsung 840 EVO, the difference is still like that of a hay cart and a helicopter.
     
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    Sounds to me like they have created a problem that their solution can solve.
     
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    havent watch the youtube vids.... but is this also effected hdd that helium-sealed ?
    that helium-sealed basically completely sealead right? as since if not the gas will leak away
     
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    this effects anything that has moving parts or shock sensors
     
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    at first blush, agreed. but after a moment of thought, i suppose bluetooth speakers were blasting affecting nearby hardware.

    but there is a hardware solution, probably much cheaper than force-feedback loops...
    dampening materials.
    spraying fixative on felt or neoprene works a treat - totally changing resonant frequencies.
    if you want to go even harder core, then "egg crate" acoustic baffling can be used as well.
     
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    Well, at least is not the frequency that make you poo.
     
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    Material like this made on microscopic scale.
     

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    AFFECTED (also, "sealed" )

    AFFECTS

    Please guys learn the difference. Learn instead of hating. It's very simple. Something has an EFFECT on something else. You AFFECT something with an EFFECT.

    If you're going to be talking about technical issues and want to be taken seriously, the least you can do is use proper grammar :)
     
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    Shut up.
     
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    user1 Ancient Guru

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    why is this important to you; iT make effectively make a nOt difference to understands of stAtement ,
     
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    hahahahaha!
     
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    No self-respecting grammar policeman would ever refer to spelling as "grammar".
     
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    hehe yeah, it's the blue note, not the brown note :D
     
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    I found a paper on this, its 5KHz at over 115dB, more than just the HDD would be affected.
     
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    yes, like your ears.
    115dB is literally deafening. and you have to thank your lucky stars that silicon is always bracketed by differing materials in a computer, thus changing the frequency that (brittle) silicon resonates to.
     

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