970 memory allocation issue revisited

Discussion in 'Videocards - NVIDIA GeForce' started by alanm, Jan 23, 2015.

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  1. sykozis

    sykozis Ancient Guru

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    An apology for what? A "benchmark" that has to be run improperly to produce anything different for the 970 than it does the 980? Or even Kepler and Fermi cards? Run Nai's "benchmark" on any Fermi or Kepler card (as --Tj-- did) and you'll see the exact same results. That is, of course, unless you run it improperly. The fact that it produces the same results on every card, when run properly, proves it's inaccurate for the purpose it was written for.

    NVidia has not always admitted to mistakes. Even after being found guilty in a class-action suit concerning the "excessive failure" issues for the G84m and G86m, NVidia still denies any wrong doing and made every attempt to avoid compensating the affected customers, against a court order.
     
  2. Rich_Guy

    Rich_Guy Ancient Guru

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    Fix is coming in a new driver.
     
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    That's a maybe, if it's going to be just some GFE profiles optimization I'm going to be pissed.

    This needs to be a real driver fix.
     
  4. Redemption80

    Redemption80 Ancient Guru

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    Surely it's more of a workaround than a fix.

    Saying that I entirely expect it to make zero gameplay difference to anyone.
     

  5. thinktwice

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    i dont care what amd does. We are not talking about amd. If so, feel free to open another thread about amds rebrands...
     
  6. Rich_Guy

    Rich_Guy Ancient Guru

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    Im just trying to work out now, how the driver will add the extra 8x ROPS, and L2 Cache.
     
  7. Memorian

    Memorian Ancient Guru

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    Where did you read that ? If this was fixable with a new driver, NVIDIA would tell us to just be patient..
     
  8. stevevnicks

    stevevnicks Maha Guru

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    lol

    they probs just tweak the driver and make things worse as there is no stutter lol
    you cant fix something that's "working the way it was designed to work" and that's from there own mouths more or less..
    although maybe tweak how its accessed ?
     
  9. Rich_Guy

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    Wccf, was posted about 30 minutes ago, came from some at Nvidia.

     
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    It's called "adding context". Why are you commenting on the subject you have no horse in the race?

    None of the 970's ever produced suddenly got slower after the real specs were released.

    I just don't understand the witch hunt that is currently happening.

    Edit: I do however understand the apprehension that some 970 owners feel at being lied to, but the performance is still stellar on the 970.
     

  11. Rich_Guy

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    Its still a cracking card, if you don't go over 3.5GB.
     
  12. MrH

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    The thing is, even if I get a refund I have no viable options to replace my 970, only the 980 which I can't afford (£180 on top of what I paid for the 970).
     
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    stevevnicks Maha Guru

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    at the end of the day Nvidia do deserve the flack, I don't believe the gtx970 does though lol
     
  15. Extraordinary

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    So what will nVIDIA have to do legally with all the 970s that are still in warehouses/stores etc that have not sold yet?

    Are the specs that have been shown to be wrong actually printed on the boxes / in the documentation ?
     

  16. sykozis

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    The right thing for NVidia to do would be to cover the cost of the shipping to/from resellers and vendors/manufacturers as well as the cost of correcting the packaging of the cards to reflect the real specs. Of course, I doubt that will ever happen.

    The box states "4GB GDDR5" when it really should state "3.5GB + 0.5GB of GDDR5" or "4GB GDDR5 in segments of 3.5GB and 0.5GB"....but aside from that, not that I'm aware of.

    You can't attack NVidia for doing exactly what AMD does, without accepting the fact that AMD does it as well. You shouldn't even be posting in this thread to begin with seeing as how the subject doesn't affect you.
     
  17. morbias

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    I don't think so, not even the official product page shows ROP count or cache, only the review sites have listed that information but of course that was down to Nvidia providing them with incorrect specs.

    For people trying to get a refund - I seriously don't think you have grounds based on the memory configuration. If you are pursuing a refund then it would have to be on the basis of ROP count and L2 cache, those are the specs that were wrong, the card still has 4GB as advertised and I would think there would be no legal standing for a refund on that basis.
     
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    I did notice some new GFE experience from back in November like Far Cry 4.. used to be all Ultra (same as 980), then gradually pushed to Very High textures.. makes you wonder :p (yes it ran fine and still use the same settings).
     
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    Thats exactly what i wanted to say to sone users above you somply cant hide the fact that nvidia cheated or cheats on marketing...
     
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    So you're saying that it's impossible that Nvidia had a miscommunication between engineering and marketing. That they intentionally deceived their customers by lying about the number of ROPs and L2 cache? What exactly do they gain by doing that? "Holy ****, the 970 has the same number of ROPs and L2 cache as the 980! Totally going to buy the card based on that!" said no one ever. People bought it based on the performance, which hasn't changed.

    Yeah Nvidia should be criticized for messing up the reviewer docs. But saying you feel cheated is ridiculous.
     
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