9600K to 9900K?

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  1. Danny_G13

    Danny_G13 Master Guru

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    So, I've had a 9600K for a little while, maybe 8 months, and it's a decent CPU - I've got it clocked happily to 5GHz with an -2 AVX offset, and it seems happy and stable under every test and in use.

    The system is quick:

    MSI Z390 Gaming AC
    16GB Hyperx Predator @ 4Ghz
    2080Ti OC

    But I can't help feeling my system performance could benefit from a more serious CPU.

    I know it won't make a bit of difference in gaming - CPU is a complete irrelevance in 4K gaming these days with the GPU the bottleneck.

    But for Windows general system use?

    Would I benefit, for example, from going from 9600K to 9900K?

    Should I consider Comet Lake and a new mobo? Threadripper (and a new mobo).

    Or just stick with what I have because it really is performing very well indeed.

    Sure, the synthetic benchmarks don't match the top CPUs but do they even matter?
     
  2. -Tj-

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    The real question would be; why did you buy 9600k in the first place and not 9700k? :D


    That said dont bother with new mobo, keep current and yeah stick in 9900k
     
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    I'll be honest, I cheaped out and I also liked the overclocking potential.

    So not even a Threadripper?
     
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    Sure if you have extra why not, just get the latest model.

    I personally if I would do amd, I would pick r9 3950x, or why are you thinking about threadripper?
     

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    Because I want to get the best. A long-term investment and pretty much instant Windows operation. If possible.
     
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    I see, do you have nvme pcie now? That would speed up windows quite a bit and overall responsiveness.

    If you decide for ryzen this moment chose 3rd gen. But you won't notice any extra speedup by light load etc, intel's single IPC is still slightly better.


    https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3960x
    Or do you want more then 24 cores? :D


    It's quad channel will help a bit, but it's all down to what apps you use. But latency is still a bit so so..
    https://www.kitguru.net/components/cpu/luke-hill/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3960x-3970x-cpu-review/7/

    https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3960x-review,19.html



    If I had such option as you, then 9900KF, fast 3gb/s nvme and be done with it. And wait until Ryzen 4000 series and intel's next arch, both @ DDR5, and check again if it's worth it.
     
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    Ryzen 4000 won't be DDR5..... He'd be waiting for Ryzen 5000 at the earliest for DDR5. Intel's next arch won't support DDR5 either as it will be on LGA1200 and compatible with Z490..... For DDR5, he's at least a year out for both Intel and AMD, both of which are expecting to launch their next processor series later this year or early next year.
     
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    Yea so 9900k should be more then enough until then.

     
  10. Danny_G13

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    Tempting actually. Difference between 9900K and the F?

    Thanks for the help.
     
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    Ignore that, it lacks the GPU. Got it.
     
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    It's worse, unless in a specific scenario with software only optimised for Intel. That being said, such software does indeed exist, so it's not only theoretical. Otherwise Intel is beating AMD with clocks in the cases where its on top.
     
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    I mean clock vs clock yes AMD is better, but Intel's higher clock pushes it away a little.. It's not much, I checked those benchmarks too

    Well, If I was going to buy a PC this very moment I would still go intel,.. as much as I like AMD I want higher clocks and more single threaded perf.
    I looked at
    z490
    10700k
    4ghz cl18 ram

    But can't buy atm, bought a new XC MTB lol _:D
     
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    Got the KF. Arrives next week. Hopefully that'll do me for a few years.
     
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    Here is from my personal experience:

    Z370 AORUS Gaming 7: 8700K > 9900K > 9600K > ROG STRIX Z490-H GAMING: 10700 [NON K]


    So, I had 9900K and im in LONG LOOONG process of building a "dream" 3960x build, I had the CPU pre-ordered and to this day the build is not ready mainly due custom water loop and me ordering parts from abroad and waiting.
    Also I decided when im done building the 3960x, ill use my current PC for NAS [unRAID] and who need 9900K for unraid? I managed to sell it before 10th gen came out and for money i made i got PSU + 9600K + 16GB RAM
    My "Old" PSU Hx1200i will be in my 3960x so i needed that too.

    Anyway, long story short, I HATED THE 9600K, after 9900K everything felt slow, i dont play many games right now, but i browse all day and I have taskbar minimized and im used that my 9900K wont be always loading on all cores like 9600K, it feels this CPU with only 6 cores is always between 80 to 100% load
    It actually felt slow, i also collect audiobooks and noticed how MP3 compressed much slower and instead of doing 8 files together and have resources to use my PC, i was doing 4 and then 3 files just using 3 threads, one thread per file and the PC was slowing down.
    Eventually last week I said F it and resreched low power CPU that can be "overclocked" and good mobo for servers and got 10700 65W, based on this review.
    Now im fine again, everything flys and I changed the setting, to have constant turbo boost [when I use it for unraid ill switch back to 65W mode], i did 102.6 on BCLCK [maximum allowed] and get all cores 4712Ghz or something
    I considered Ryzen 3700x and even 3900x [the difference is not that big], but its more expensive then intel, whole system uses more power and not fit for server/NAS usage.

    So yeah, if you can get 9900K, get it, I was considering to get Engineering sample variants from china 9900K, they have non K version and K version that overclocks from 4.8Ghz to 5Ghz for like 330USD on aliexpress, but decided for unraid I need low power [also for UPS to hold as much as possible], so I got 10700
    It can work as server CPU and as my temporal PC CPU for everything that I need.
    9900K was a monster thou, but honestly in video games 9900K at 5GHz and my 10700 at 4700Ghz 1440 and 4K there is no difference or its 1-2 FPS and you wont believe me, but I decided to use air cooling for the server and ordered D15s, but right now my 10700 runs on some old 212 EVO and thats with increased TDP Boost and BCLCK overclock and I get normal temps [38 idle and during benchamrks maximum it peaked at 85] and my 9900K had 280mm AIO and the temps were higher, especially when doing 5Ghz
     

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    Don't know if you noticed but I already ordered a KF?

    It arrived today and is happily running in the rig.

    Slight 'whistle' from it, maybe, but nothing terrible.

    And yes, 4K is pointless re: CPU - that's why I have 2080Ti.
     

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