8800gts -- Old generation vs New generation (g92)?

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  1. bodean

    bodean Master Guru

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    I have an older generation 8800GTS 512 EVGA card.
    I'm curious about how much better these g92 generations are, and if this warrants upgrading to either a 4870 or a higher end nvidia card.
    Is there that much of a difference between the g92 and non-g92?
     
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    ok you worded your question wrong, you said you have a 512 when you have a 640, as the 512's are the G92's, and yes there's quite a large improvement, not a "amazing" but large enough
     
  3. AnthraxPants

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    I'd wait and get something better unless you can get a 8800GTS 512 very cheap. There will be further price cuts soon and better cards so you'll kick your self for not waiting. Maybe get a good cooler and overclock your CPU as your card will perform better with faster CPU speeds. If you have a lot of case room you could get a Thermalright Ultra Extreme cooler, or a Noctua if you have less room.
    I gained something like 2000 3DMark06 points by overclocking CPU and raising GPU and graphics RAM slightly. Last I checked I was getting around 12445 3DMark06 points with my current setup which is not too bad for a 8800GTS 320MB. I did change my memory to DDR2 1066MHz from the old 800MHz Geil value which probably helped to up the FSB.
     
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  4. bodean

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    You're right, I have the 640 meg version.
     

  5. AnthraxPants

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    HD4870 is heaps better value ATM. AU$25 more than HD4850 here in OZ at the moment. HD4870 beats GTX280 at Company of Heroes, but the GTX280 is faster at Crysis. The HD4870 is less than half the price of the GTX280 at present.
     
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    Around 5-10%.



    The HD 4870 is good value when comparing to a gtx 280 but really it should only be compared to the gtx 260 in terms of performance and overall value, at current prices it's difficult not to recommend the gtx 260.

    There was a recent comparison between the cards at hardocp, LINK


    Though with either card you will see your performance near enough double from your current card.
     
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    IMO it's bigger if we compare G80 96sp vs G92 128sp. I would say that up to 10% will differ G80 112sp and G92 128sp.
     
  8. Broseybrose

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    8800GTX bitches! whoo!

    (sorry, probably one of the last times ill be able to say that :))
     
  9. bozotheclown

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    Bla bla bla and you didn't answer the question ;)

     
  10. BlackZero

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    An 8800GTX is about 20-25% faster than an 8800 GTS 640mb w/96sp, The 8800 GTS 512mb falls roughly in between both cards, but in many cases the extra memory size and larger memory bus width will aid the old gts.
     

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    Heyas Protocol, was it worth moving to 280 gtx from ur 8800 gtx sli?
     
  12. BlackZero

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    I think it was, I wasn't expecting an increase in performance but I got pretty much on par performance and even better in some cases, importantly it's alot smoother with a smaller amount of fps dips.

    I am also glad I got away from all the 'driver has stopped responding...' vista errors plus all the other sli related issues, most of all these gtx 200 cards are good overclockers.
     
  13. bozotheclown

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    Which means that buying a GTX280 is completely useless to me since I have 2x9800GTX+ performance and no 'driver has stopped responding...' errors whatsoever. What a waste :(



     
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    The G92 has superior overclocking abilities and cools much better than the G80 (mine never reaches above at full load 50C with huge clocks). Also the G92 uses less power compared to the G80 and the newer G92's are 55nm resulting in even cooler cards at higher speeds. HD decoding is also far superior on the G92 than the G80.

    However considering how long the G92 has been out I would make sure to get the 55nm versions (9800GT+/GTX+)

    This is incorrect. Almost all of the time the 128sp 8800 GTS 512mb beats the G80 GTX unless all 512mb of V-RAM is used on the GTS. The GTS 512mb even matches the G80 Ultra at many benchmarks but with much less power usage and heat. However if you are gaming at anything above 1600x1200 you are probably going to want more than 512mb, but I game at 1920x1200 with ease on the card.
     
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    Overclocking aside as that would be too subjective, all the evidence suggests the contrary, so I can't agree.

    Guru3d vga charts
     
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    i think your missing ledheds point.
    the 92's run cooler faster and were cheaper than the g80 a2 gtx and the a3 ultra.

    plus the fact in games the g92 runs right up there with an ultra with less ram
    check this game out from the list it uses some card ram
    http://www.guru3d.com/category/vga_3/
    its not much differance performance wise, and most games will run easy on either card
     
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    guys
    i used to have 8800gt/320 mb it was a disaster in crysis ,company of heroes opp ,and in new games memory just is'nt enough
    but when i changed to 8800gt it was for me like going from land to space huh specially in crysis any one with 8800gts 320 mb please change it worth it +im running mine @ 700 core which beats 8800gtx which it is about 30% faster [350gigaflops for 8800gts old and 580gig ... 8800gt @700, 1725
     
  18. BlackZero

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    I agree on both the cooler and power requirement reduction for the g92, but his point was pretty explicit in that he said the 8800gts 512mb always performs higher than an 8800gtx unless the ram gets used and sometimes faster than an ultra, I don't agree with that as you can see from the charts linked.

    However I was a bit hastey and admit he is right in saying that in most part at resolutions below 1600x1200 the 8800 GTS 512mb is a better choice, though aa is also a stumbling block for the gts 512mb, not to mention higher end cards such as the 8800GTX are designed to run at resolutions of 1600x1200 and above, the 8800GTS 512mb does not fall into this category.

    In anycase my original point was that there isn't a big enough difference between most of the G80/G92 cards mentiond and from your last sentence I see you agree.

    p.s We really need to stop beating this dead donkey.
     
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  19. Capt Proton

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    8800GTS 512MB = Monster overclocker. Mine was at 821/2052/2016.
    GTX 280 = Not so much. 700/1404/2592. These overclocks are inline with most reviews.
    GTX 200s may overclock better with a die shrink. But, and it is a big but, GTX 280 runs very smooth. Crysis 1920X1200 all high no AA, very nice. Don't use Vista, so I can't say anything about Very High. Any other game, who cares what card it is as long as it is 8800 family or better?
     
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    i had both. I originally had a G80 8800GTS 320mb, forget about Crysis and DX10 games. I moved to a G92 8800GTS 512mb and the difference was day and night (sort of). I play at 1440x900, G92s 128sp simply overwhelms G80s 96sp, plus the fact that G92 is a die shrink so it has more room for overclocking.

    Bottom line is : a stock G92 8800GTS will beat a G80 8800GTS hands down and will give a G80 8800GTX a run for its money.

    I now have a 98000GTX which is also a G92 and it can't pull away from my old G92 8800GTS. It just shows how good the G92 core is.
     

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