8 Core Rocket Lake CPU compared to MSI Z590-A PRO motherboard, 21% faster than i7-10700K

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  1. Kosmoz

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    I'm amazed how naive people are to already believe based on 1 benchmark that Intel will deliver +21% performance @ 4.2 GHz boost, compared to this gen @ 5.1Ghz... That to me looks like huge (and unrealistic) IPC jump, even higher than AMD did from Zen 2 to Zen 3... really how can you believe that so easily? Even if both were at 5.1Ghz I would still take it with a truckload of salt...

    If it were like 10 different benchmarks maybe there would be some indication that it can be true, but come on... Like I said, Intel needs to prove first, it has lost it's credibility.
     
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    You might have missed this part :)

    Intel Core i9-11900K at 4.2 GHz Versus i7-10700K Versus i9-10900K

    8 cores 1045 1156 1115 7% faster 3.6% slower
     
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  4. JamesSneed

    JamesSneed Maha Guru

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    I'm glad to see the increased memory controller and PCIE lanes. The memory controller might actually help with the increased IPC. These are all pretty good changes.
     

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    Beat the crap is probably a big overstatement. Fact is if it wasn't for AMD we would be gaming on 4c8t CPUs still..14nm++++++++. So give them some slack the leap in performance they managed in the short time is beyond anything Intel or Nvidia did..ever..
     
  7. Undying

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    It would be funny for people upgrading their 5.3ghz 10900k 10c/20t for 4.2ghz 11900k 8c/16t.

    Intel this days...:D
     
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    I downgraded 9900k with 3900x ;) Though, I don't use it for gaming :p
     
  9. kapu

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    They reduce core count because of TDP and thermals , gona bet money on that.
     
  10. 0blivious

    0blivious Ancient Guru

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    If what you are saying is not true though, the forum will literally come over to your house and force you to eat actual crow. We value your opinion but we aren't ****ing around here.
     
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  11. MonstroMart

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    I'm mostly brand agnostic and usually try to not get involved too much in the AMD versus Intel versus nVidia debates. But if there's one thing i hate is how when AMD is on top (if they are let's wait for 3rd party reviews) then it's always wait for Intel but when Intel and/or nVidia are on top it's always AMD is late for the party. I mean those cpus are rumoured to be released around half a year after Zen 3 and close to one year after Intel previous offering. And if we are to believe AMD and Intel numbers (i'm not) those new Intel cpus will barely beat Zen 3 (if they even are) and only in gaming. I would certainly expect them to beat AMD better than that personally considering they're likely going to be close to half a year late. And when these cpus will be released you will be able to say the same thing you just said but the other way around. AMD will beat them in 6 months to 8 months or so.

    At the end of the day since Zen 2 was released AMD dominated workstation duty and Intel gaming. The last offering by Intel was good with finally (about ******* time) HT across all the lineup which made the i5 finally a viable option for people not just gaming. But these cpus were released many months after Zen 2 and were not able to dominate Zen 2 in all use cases. If AMD is finally able to dominated all uses case with Zen 3 then Intel will definitely be trailing behind.

    When you look at history every time AMD was trailing behind they got trashed for it. Even if they would release competitive products. Remember Vega. Vega was competitive performance wise. But it was requiring more power, was running kind of hot, was late to the party and it was trashed for that. Why should it be different for Intel? If AMD delivers then until proven otherwise (3rd party reviews in both case) Intel architecture will not be as good, they will be late to the party and while they will still be competitive performance wise if all this happens then Intel definitely should get the same treatment Vega did. What i see here is barely any improvement with 8 cores. An improvement at 4 cores that should put it very close to AMD (if both AMD and Intel numbers are true). So if AMD numbers are real it doesn' look that great for those cpus considering they'll be half a year late. I mean 3.6% improvement at 8 cores you have to question at this point if it will even clearly beat Zen 2 in workstation duties ...
     
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  12. JamesSneed

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    My sentiments exactly. I'm going to wait for third party reviews but if Zen3 is as good as AMD said then I expect Rocket Lake to be really close on IPC and loose to AMD in any CPU > 6 cores. Rocket Lake will be competitive but to scream its going to dominate AMD is just silly. If you simply look at Zen2 IPC then the 19% Zen3 IPC improvement Rocket lake is simply going to be very comparable.
     
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  13. Undying

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    That would be an upgrade if you dont game on it. Even if you do i dont consider it a downgrade.
     
  14. Kool64

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    Back in my younger years I would have taken "ocing to be as fast" as a challenge. Now a days I just want to pop a chip in and go. I saved $850+ back in the day by Ocing my operon 144 to 3.0GHZ(which was where the FX64 was). With Zen 3 I hope that the 8c chips will have the headroom to reach the 16c clock speeds or more then we will be able to likely match Intels Rocket lake. Might have to get back into the OC game.
     
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    Definition of fanboy right here. Please remember though these chips won't be here till March at the earliest which is what 4/5 month away? By then AMD will be prepping Zen3+ possibly for launch Q2 2021. So 11k series will be up against it also. It's good for the consumer with prices and performance. I often switch from Intel to AMD an back an forth depending who's doing the best.
     

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    The AMD CPU's seem to be coming out around every 14 months or so, "time will tell, sooner or later time will tell..."\

    As for Userbench it's the worst benchmark one can use, even having an application like a web browser open can cause your score to plummet, also it gives zero PC specification so fk knows how they are configured thats how great the benchmark it is.

    In the past Zen 2 was configured with dual 2133MHz Ram as part of the leaks.
     
  17. Fox2232

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    Closing gap on 65W by OCing 10700k to point it consumes 160W? GG, what a value proposition.
     
  18. 0blivious

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    UserBenchmark is useful as a weak but comprehensive pecking order. If you look at the lists of which is best, the order of CPUs and GPUs is a pretty fair estimation. (all benches averaged out) As for our individual numbers and "motorboat" scores, useless...
     
  19. GREGIX

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    Stopped reading after saw userbenchmark....
     
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    Considering its proven UserBenchmark fudge their own scores for money I wouldn't take any info from that site
     

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