7950x3d or 7800x3d

And they are a tiny fraction of those who use PCs for gaming.

 

I do get your point. I have a 5800x3d, love it. No need to upgrade. It's a cpu that will be a footnote in AMD's history for sure. I'll build an AM5 system in a few years and give this 5800x3d rig to the kiddo. Patiently waiting on 4k for the masses.....hopefully, one day.

Those that have been patiently waiting to upgrade are likely interested to see the improvement of the 7000x3d's. There is no other cpu comparison like it when you think about it due to the 3D cache. The only apples to apples comparison for the 7800x3d is the 5800x3d.

 

to be sure.
but my main criteria (as i don't play 1st person shooters) is the "silky smooth gaming experience" overall.
this system is being built to have a very high level, but not the highest level. "good enough" is relative to both productivity and gaming. having more cores to start and next gen to boot does the productivity "good enough". in this i bow to the 4090 owners and wait for the pricing waters to settle between 4080 and wait to join those at 7900xtx and 4080

 

Incorrect. The Acer/Aopen 390Hz thread on Blur busters is good evidence that it's the a vast majority and that high res low fps players are not. I can't recall any casual player tournaments, lol

 

People who game, and people who game in tournaments, vast difference. The most common gaming GPU is the 1650, that card is not owned by competitive gamers.
Gaming tournaments are non existent as far as media are concerned, how much media coverage this week on gaming comps compared to COH3 or Hogwarts Legacy.

 

We don't need media, we have Twitch and youtube for torunaments

 

Dont get me wrong, E-Sports will become a thing but they wont drive HW sales.
And as top end PC components become more expensive, the user base will shift.

 

I'll sort of hijack this thread a little, my apologies - I'm on a Aorus X570 MASTER with a very aged 3900X & NH-D15 & 32GB G.Skill Neos CL18.

I was originally planning on a full platform upgrade, but as the AM5 and 7800X3D are a bit underwhelming price/performance wise, I think the wiser route would be to get a 5800X3D (maybe even second hand) and stick with that for another ~2 years? I'm on a 3080Ti@3440x1440p@120Hz, and will likely stay on that for a while longer as I really like the resolution and aspect ratio.

 

It's worth the upgrade to the 5800x3d. You'll be good to go for another few years.

 

I was on a 3800X and went to a 5800X3D and even at 4k the difference is very noticeable.

 

I was on a 5800X and goint to the 5800X3d was very much an improvement at 1440p. Not really noticeable on my 4K monitor tho but it's a 60Hz that gets used for other things than gaming these days.

Might have to pick up an UW OLED soon.

 

Guys 5800x3d is great if you are already on am4 platform but if your bulding a new sustem its better go with am5. Even 7600x is offering similar or better gaming performance with ability to upgrade to 7800x3d. Its worth investing.

 

FTW !!!

 

Even then its not that clear cut, certainly not if you are going 4k. The money saved going with AM4 is the difference between a 4080 and a 4090, or a 1440p to a 4k screen.
The actual (real world) store price for a 7800X3D isnt yet known but a 5800X3D is £300. So speed for speed and feature for feature, an AM5 set up with a 4080 may be around the same price as an AM4 rig with a 4090, tuff choice for a 4k gamer.

 

Not at this time unless you have to start from scratch.

In my case it's a cheap stopgap until I decide what to do next, Intel or AMD.

I can basically skip the 7 series AMD

 

On AM4 and you game, get 5800X3D. No brainer. Basically a 12900K performance on AIR with bog RAM. I mena, it is as clear as it can be for gamers.

You are 99% correct. The only reason I would advise someone to push for a 7800X3D or the fastest CPU you can afford is to RAISE the MIN FPS floor as high as possible. It matters a LOT as some Gurus said for VR (to counter motion sickness), pro gamers, or even online team games and for ppl to upgrade to faster GPUs in the future when costs are better like the 5080, or 6070 which are basically 4090's:



The above chart shows at 300 USD the 5800X3D and 13600K are the killer deals.

Or the 7600/7600X, 12400F/13400F with bclock OC can be even better deals if you tighten up RAM timings (very hard on F series IMC) and "good enough" motherboard.

Also another reason, if you save enough, and are getting the TOP GPU like 4090 or faster. It has been shown you get more out of the GPU (even with RTRT) with a fast enough CPU to feed it.

But with the 5800X3D or 13600KF ooc'ed up to 13900K levels, it remains to see the price to performance of the 7800X3D which SMIMULATED looks DAMN good here:

Relative performance to 13900K @ $570 USD vs 449 RRP USD @ 21% cost savings:



Or you can compare it to the 13700K @ 425 USD, which means pay 5% more but get 13900K performance.

The difference noticed will be WAY bigger at lower resolutions, using DLSS, or applying the savings to a better GPU.

If it runs on AIR at MAX boost like the 5800X3D or 13600K, then that is a huge win too on savings without AIO WC.

Sorry for the long rant, I perform P&L for my team so always check the $/FPS.

 

@Valken
Yeah stats are great but people pay with GBP/Euros/USD not figures bud.
If the price was the same would you right now buy a 5800X3D/4090 or a 7800X3D/4080

 

I think 5800X3D + 4090 is cheaper. AM4 MB + DDR4 RAM still cheaper than AM5 + DDR5.

And it would depend on the target you want to hit. So @4K now and you want to hold onto the system for 3 years or longer, the first option. The reason why is honestly, the 4080 is not GOOD enough when you factor in RTRT...

If 1440p or lower, I would go second option and upgrade the GPU in another 3 years to hold a solid 4KRTRT@ 120 FPS min floor. Actually, the 7900XTX would be a better deal and upgrade to a REAL RTRT GPU later. In Raster, the 7900XTX kills 4080/4090 in terms of $/FPS.

Edit - actually I think all the new and LY GPU prices are a total ripoff. If I can, I would wait for the market to crash and let them bleed out and buy in the aftermath.

For Raster graphics, I would probably buy the 6900XT or 6950XTX and wait a few years. While I have the money, I do not like getting bent just to play games.

PS5 + PSVR2 proves the value is there.

Agree about the $ at the end of the day, hence I now do NOT look at the total price. I look at interests free payment plans for 2 years or longer.

I just got my 4K OLED on a 2 year payment plan and the payments interest FREE allows me more money in the pocket PER month so I can make that payment without sweating it. I have the cash right now, I would invest that left over cash to create passive income to make the payments.

No I do not invest in crypto... Just saying there are ways to apply your resources to get what you want.

 

The 7950x3d will never be able to use the 2nd ccx without a performance penalty in gaming. So unless you NEED those extra cores for productivity, a person with just a little bit of smarts would always go with the single ccx cpu, aka the 7800x3d.

 

Good Question. EU prices and Swedish taxes make these CPUS expensive but not totally out of reach.
I am holding on to my 5800X3D with dear life and saving up for the 7800X3D, but that includes saving up for the AM5 motherboard and DDR5 ram.
The local second-hand tech forums here in Sweden have people screaming for 5800X3Ds!
At the moment I literally do not need a 7800X3D after seeing the performance of the 7950X3D. It is just a luxury I can (almost) afford


PS
I get my tax returns soon..