7800GTX 512 MB clocked at 550/1800 MHz

Ah, but ATi hasnt been on top yet since the GTX

 

That is totally debatleable dude, imo the X1800XT is very lightly faster then the 7800GTX 256MB before you talk about overclocking potential etc. Depending on where you read obviously.

 

I never claimed that the x1800 XT wasnt a bit faster, BUT HAVE U BEEN ABLE TO BUY IT?!?!

NO

NV has been on top

 

But can you buy one? NO so NV is still on top since the GTX256 and when the GTX512 is released ATI will come a mere 3rd place after both GTX cards

 

I do understand that the X1800XT isnt available yet i never claimed otherwise, but the fact of the matter is, yes there is a card called the X1800XT and yes it is generally a tad faster then the 7800GTX, the fact that it isnt available *yet* is neither here nor there when comparing performance (which we cant even do yet since the 512MB GTX isnt available).

So looking at the big guns for this generation it stands something like; 7800GTX 512MB > X1800XT > 7800GTX > 7800GT > X1800XL.

The Nvidia fan excuse of "But can you buy one now!?" is wearing a little thin now guys, we're talking about performance, not availabilty.

 

Performance means NOTHING though if you CANNOT buy one? right? RIGHT!

But the X1800XT is an awesome card without a doubt.... but kinda hard to compare when they're NO WHERE to be found... and wont be for a weeks to come still...

ATI got it handed to them this generation and you ATI Fans need to finally admit it... you LOST, always DO....

 

Of course you can compare them dude, just read the multitude of reviews out there comparing the cards, I mean are you going to buy both a X1800XT on release and a 512MB GTX to compare them? In your case and mine the point that neither are out is moot, all we can do is look at performance comparisons/projections and take what we can from those results.

Pure fanboy crap in that last paragraph dude, "you lost, always do"? What a short memory some people have; X800 vs 6800? Draw. 9800 vs 5900...? 5800 vs 9700...? Im a big fan of both sides, and dont get me wrong, when the 512MB GTX hits with those clocks it is certainly going to smoke the X1800XT from the looks of it, but some people on both sides need to back the hell up and calm down.

 

It really looks like there is no reason to buy X1K series cards.

 

i agree

 

I agree to a degree, obviously there will be exceptions in individual cases, but damn right; Nvidia have seemingly every angle and position covered:

- Ultimate performance? 7800GTX SLI
- Single card performance? 7800GTX 512MB
- Mid-range? 6800GT (why replace the best eh? )
- Low end? 6200/6600

Unless you specifically need or want a feature the XI cards have the 7 or 6 Series dont, there is no need to look any further then an Nvidia card.

 

I have to agree with that too...

 

Yea, a month ago having an x1800 XT would've given you the very bleeding edge by about 5%, but not now.

 

I agree!

 

what he said.

 

take a look at maximumpc, theres an article showing how nvidias video decoding is a lot better than ati's.

 

Agree wholeheartedly, lets just hope ATI learn from their mistakes and Nvidia's frankly exceptional example of how to launch a product.

 

Amen!

 

Perfectly valid to compare performance before people can get the card, but calling ATI's availability problems an NVIDIA fan excuse is ludicrous. Yes, fanboys scream it at the top of their lungs, but it's a reality when you're dealing with ATI... any level-minded ATI customer will say the availability problems with the x800s (and apparently with the x1800XTs, judging from the delay) were unbelievably bad.

 

Dont get me wrong man, the availability problems are real and seriously effecting the current situation, but I was only comparing performance. The problem is as soon as anyone does that regarding the X1800XT the Nvidia guys scream, as you pointed out, "OMG you cant get one yet so it doesnt matter!", if we're looking specifically at performance it does matter.

What I think a lot of people are missing is that performance *and* availabilty are only two components that make up a product.

 

Looking at performance it DOESNT MATTER because I cant put one in my machine. What if NV has a G80 already taped out? Then that matters too.