6800GT vs 6800GS... Vote now...

Discussion in 'Videocards - NVIDIA GeForce' started by repapips2004, Nov 22, 2005.

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6800GT or 6800GS

  1. 6800GS

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  2. 6800GT

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  1. Banner88

    Banner88 Active Member

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    Still, a 7800GT is lightyears ahead.
     
  2. LordAboveAll

    LordAboveAll Master Guru

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    Well dude I'm sorry but according to benchmarks your way way wrong...with an SLI system you can get double the performace in some benchs....it's fact
     
  3. Banner88

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    What he meant, why bother? A single GTX is all you need for smooth gameplay. What's the point of doubling already excellent performance for so much money?
     
  4. repapips2004

    repapips2004 Maha Guru

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    6800 GS will own 6800GT if it would unlock its 4 extra pipelines...
     

  5. Banner88

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    It already owns the GT.
     
  6. repapips2004

    repapips2004 Maha Guru

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    not that much...
     
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    repapips2004 Maha Guru

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  10. LordAboveAll

    LordAboveAll Master Guru

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    I realy don't know why were having this conversation....because it's Ego I would love to have a $15,000 dollar system and bost about it.

    Like what repapips said lets wait untill it comes out!
     
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  11. guardz

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    See thats just lame ! My mate has the so called GS and hates it, nothing but probs, but thats a different topic.

    Id gladly spend the $50-70 more and have the awesome GT anyday. Just because 'they' make a newer brand of card doesnt mean its better! FFs, when will some of you understand that youre only playing into the makers hands by releasing newer cards people run out and buy then cause "they must be better!". Yes the GT is dearer but if we are going down that path, money wise verses grunt, go the 7800GT then!
     
  12. repapips2004

    repapips2004 Maha Guru

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    guardz...

    actually your mate GS is PCI-E... what we are hoping to beat the GT is an AGP version. If it is true that its unlockable to 16 pipelines, also with the higher frequency in clock/mem... It will surely beat the GT...

    but like what ive said earlier, lets wait until it comes out to market...
     
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    Yip Kk.

    On that, how do you find the 66GT running with a P4? Have you ever run a 66GT with an AMD64?
     
  14. repapips2004

    repapips2004 Maha Guru

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    actually with my p4 2.8 66gt runs nominal... i think my mem bottleneck, only 512. Planning to get 512 or even 1 gig this weekend, depending on the price... Much expensive here in the philippines...

    Ive got 7726 in 3dMark2003 everything in default.
    clock/mem at stock(500/900)

    I dont hav AMD64 so i dont know how it really perform in that platform... But from some research, AMD OWNS P4 when it comes to gaming... Maybe because of there 3DNOW Professional Instruction, which P4 dont have...

    Just my opinion, i am really not sure...
     
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    Wow, with just the "detect optimal frequency" you've gone up from 425 to 530 and 1000 to 1200? Pretty amazing isn't it?
     

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    Good Day Guys...
    Well ,, The GS or the GT ,,, THE GS 6800 ,once in my hands (soon)
    Im gonna make the GT (let's be gentle) something form the Past that
    no one Can remember!
    GO for the GS or wait for the 7600GT or get the 7800GT
    why spending the money on 6800 GT (PCIE bridged by the way on the chip)
    for 280$ ..250$ while the GS(native PCIE 0.11 nm) for 209 shipped ???
    have a nice day.
     
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  17. PrinceGaz

    PrinceGaz Maha Guru

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    The 6800GS is better value at current prices, and also more available, but the 6800GT is still the faster card whether at stock speeds or if they are both overclocked. If I were buying a card today and had a choice of the 6800GS or 6800GT at current prices, I'd choose the 6800GS because the money saved outweighs its slightly lower performance.

    6800GS @ 425 core:
    425x5 = 2125 vertex ops (arbitary units)
    425x12 = 5100 pixel ops

    6800GT @ 350 core:
    350x6 = 2100 vertex ops
    350x16 = 5600 pixel ops

    At stock speeds, the GS and GT have more or less identical vertex-shader power, but the GT has nearly 10% higher pixel-shader power. That is the reason the GS and GT perform similarly at low resolutions when they are most likely to be vertex-shader bound, but the GT pulls ahead at higher resolutions and quality-settings where pixel-shader throughput is far more important. Since you don't buy a card like a 6800GS/GT to play at low resolutions anyway, it is the pixel-shader power which really matters when comparing them.

    Hilbert got his XFX 6800GS XXX Edition which is already overclocked by default to 485 core, up to a maximum stable speed of 515 core. I know someone in this thread said the "detect optimal frequency" set his 6800GS to 530 core but from experience I know that it often detects a frequency which isn't entirely artifact free and it is necessary to do extensive testing afterwards to check for unexpected or incorrectly textured polygons which may only occur occasionaly and in certain games/benchmarks. I'll be generous and say a 6800GS can reach about 525 core if you're lucky, many won't manage it but lets assume yours can. Does that make it faster than a 6800GT?

    6800GS @ 525 core:
    525x5 = 2625 vertex ops
    525x12 = 6300 pixel ops

    Obviously a 6800GS @ 525 core will easily beat a stock 6800GT, but most 6800GTs have no problem running at 400 core, and I'd guess that you've got as much chance of a GT being stable at 415 core from reports on this forum, as you have of a GS at 525 core.

    6800GT @ 400 core:
    400x6 = 2400 vertex ops
    400x16 = 6400 pixel ops

    At the easily achieved 400 core, the GT is about 9% behind in vertex-shader power, but already 2% ahead in the far more important pixel-shader power. The GS clearly has the edge at low resolutions without AA and Aniso, but once you crank the resolution and quality-settings up, the GT and GS will probably be about even despite the high GS overclock of 525 and the quite easily achieved GT overclock of 400. Now for a GT at a good overclock of 415

    6800GT @ 415 core:
    415x6 = 2490 vertex ops
    415x16 = 6640 pixel ops

    With both the GS and GT at what would be considered good overclocks, the GS still has over 5% more vertex-shader power, but the GT has over 5% more pixel-shader power. So where it matters most (higher resolutions with AA/Aniso) even when both are overclocked the GT is the winner, albeit by a margin of under 5%.

    Whether you use the GS or GT at stock or overclocked speeds, the GT is likely to be between about 4-8% faster than the GS. That makes the GT the faster card. But if I were to buy one today, I'd go with the GS as it is a lot more than 8% cheaper.
     
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    Well, just check what the guru's conclusion is to this debate.
    http://www.guru3d.com/article/Videocards/292/

    The Verdict
    Our previous GS article showed that I really like the GeForce 6800 GS series. It's a really fun card whilst being relatively affordable especially if you are a more serious gamer. XFX did something really extraordinary with this "XXX Edition" product in two fold. First of all the higher core and memory clocks are just brilliant. It boosts the performance way beyond the 6800 GT for a better price. A default manufacturer overclock will always fall under the manufacturers warranty. This means at these lovely clock speeds you are two years safe of any defects.

    The 6800 GS crammed up the breach in the market on price versus value. The 6800 GS is a very cool product and I'd buy it over the standard 6800 any time. You've seen the price and you've seen the performance. For less money than the 6800 GT, yet with more performance this videocard just is a kickass product.

    GAME OVER :)
     
  20. PrinceGaz

    PrinceGaz Maha Guru

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    Yes, of course the overclocked XFX 6800GS XXX with its default core speed of 485MHz beats a stock 6800GT, but you can (or at least could) also buy maufacturer overclocked 6800GT cards. Hilbert could only get that XFX 6800GS XXX up to a maximum of 515MHz core though, and you could match that with a GT running at about 400-405 MHz core.

    So the GT is still faster :)
     

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