6800GT vs 6800GS... Vote now...

Discussion in 'Videocards - NVIDIA GeForce' started by repapips2004, Nov 22, 2005.

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6800GT or 6800GS

  1. 6800GS

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  2. 6800GT

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    54.6%
  1. saeed_violinist

    saeed_violinist Member Guru

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    I vote fore 6800GT, I have it and I know it well! I think 6800GT will OC better and coreXpipe ratio will be higher than GS, But I say GS is a good choice for new guys!
     
  2. saeed_violinist

    saeed_violinist Member Guru

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    Currently I have water cooled my 68GT to 470/1250 with volt mode and I run All games FINE now! no need to kick my money for 7800 or ...
     
  3. sotavento

    sotavento New Member

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    6800gs is a NV42 chip ... so it only has 12/5 pipes ... no more to unlock.

    6800gt beats it in every possible scenario ... 350mhz vs 425mhz must have been Nvidia's math ... as 6800gs came to REPLACE 6800gt in christmas shelves. ;)
     
  4. PrinceGaz

    PrinceGaz Maha Guru

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    The 6800GS is a sensible replacement for the 6800GT as it costs nVidia a good bit less to manufacture than the 6800GT, didn't require the development cost or time of the upcoming 7600 series, but provides a good mid-high range card until the 7600s are ready.

    The fact that the 6800GS is slightly slower than the 6800GT is irrelevant; that is the least of nVidia's worries as it is still a bit faster than similar power ATI cards (and 6800GTs are almost unavailable now). The 6800GS is all about a short-term solution for nVidia to fill a market segment for a few months.

    The 6800GT is the better card if compared performance-wise to the 6800GS, the 6800GS is better value than the 6800GT at present, but even the 6800GS at current prices will seem seriously overpriced once ATI and nVidia release their spring refresh parts in the next month or two. But then again the pace of development in the graphics-card sector means any card is outdated and overpriced for what you paid in just a few months.
     

  5. repapips2004

    repapips2004 Maha Guru

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    Well, its the PCI-E version which have the NV42 chip... The up-coming AGP version uses the OLD NV40 chips... So it might be unlock to 16 pipes...

    Also i heard XFX is making the extreme edition of it... and it clocks high, i think 450+... If that so, then it will own the GT...
     
  6. r0k0

    r0k0 Ancient Guru

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    uhhh its the XXX edition and its clocked to 485mhz core and 1100mhz memory

    which has been out 2 weeks after the normal 6800GS came out!
     
  7. khelben

    khelben Member

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    I'm pretty sure he was talking about the AGP version
     
  8. alanm

    alanm Ancient Guru

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    double_cut Ancient Guru

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  10. alanm

    alanm Ancient Guru

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    Just found this interesting bit posted in the Anandtech forums:

    You're wrong regarding the AGP version of the 6800GS. Mine arrived a few days ago. I overclocked it up to the PCIe speeds (i.e. from 350 to 425) then I unlocked the 4 pipes, taking it from 12 to 16 (the pipes you said were physically cut).

    I had the following 3DMArk scores.

    my old card 9800pro = 2829
    6800GS@350 = 4261
    6800GS@425 = 5000
    6800GS@425 with 4 pipes unlocked = 5590

    Looks like the AGP version DOES have the disabled 4 pipes, that can be enabled.
     

  11. Snowski

    Snowski Master Guru

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    thats very good news!

    So U think all AGP 6800GS will be unlockable?


    Thx for the info m8!
     
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  12. bbvdd2

    bbvdd2 Maha Guru

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    I seriously doubt they will be unlockable. AGP 6200's used to be unlockable. Then I got an RMA one from Leadtek which I could see the disabled pipes using Rivatuner but they were hard locked or cut somehow.

    On the off chance they do unlock though, it would be a serious bang for the buck. I would try to get one of the first batches in case they are unlockable and before nvidia starts disabling pipes and VS. That is if I needed the card :)
     
  13. alanm

    alanm Ancient Guru

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    I think Nvidia is well aware of whats gone on with previous cards being unlocked. So they dont need to wait to see if people start unlocking them to put a stop to it. So you may have a clue with this guy being able to unlock his AGP card above.

    If they are NOT unlockable, there will be too big a discrepancy between the AGP with the lowly core speeds and the PCI-e versions. If it is unlockable, that should put it on a level playing field with the PCI-e's.
     
  14. HeavyH20

    HeavyH20 Master Guru

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    If they use up the remaining 130 nm cores (original NV40), then they will be unlockable. If they use the 110 nm process (NV41), then they will not. Assuming the prior reports are accurate, I would assume they use the the last of the NV40 cores destined for GT's (350 plus rating) along with the remaining Ultra speed binned cores. So, you could get a gem. If the companies start speed binning the cards, they will be able to screen out the Ultra capable cards and create an "extreme" version or the like.

    One item, however, the newer NV42 will clock higher than the cleanest NV40 right out of the box. I had an eVGA 6800 UEE that made it as high as 510 on the core. The 6800 GS, 525. Most NV40's, even the Ultra binned versions, do not exceed 470 or so. So, there will likely be 425 or 450 clocked "extreme" editions.
     
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  15. hemmy

    hemmy Master Guru

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    GS if you mean for PCIe, because the AGP version is only clocked at 350 core
     

  16. HeavyH20

    HeavyH20 Master Guru

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    GS is the label for both the AGP and PCIe versions. The PCIe uses the NV42 and the AGP is likely using the NV40 since it is native AGP.

    The NV40 is used for 6800, 6800 GT and 6800 Ultra card in AGP format. So, you may get anyone of these cores, as they are simply emptying out the parts bin. These chips are no longer made, so it is possible to get 1) a damaged quad chip that clocks barely above the stock 350 clock; 2) a clean soft disabled quad that clocks a little over 350 (like the GT); and 3) a clean soft disabled quad that clocks like an Ultra at 425 plus. So, it will be a crap shoot whether you get a good core or not.
     
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  17. Renegade8100

    Renegade8100 Ancient Guru

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    this is hilarious, ok here, give me your scores for 3dmark05 if you own a 6800GT and give me your method and cooling.. i score 6417 on 35mark05 on stock cooling with 550/1320.. i play battlefield2 and call of duty 2 on the highest settings including AA and AS and 1280/1024.. there is still alot of clocking headroom, but i dont feel like ordering a new cooler yet.. can your 6800GT do the same with the same circumstance? stock 6800GT w/o and reference 6800GS perform exactly the same except for perhaps 1 or 2 frames.. now find the xfx 6800GS xxx edition which comes at a higher core and memory clock.. match with a stock OC 6800GT.. the 6800gs has a sufficient lead.. not only this, the GS has a lower operating temp, tighter ram timings(i believe 1.6hynix, i only caught a glimpse before replacing that ****ty thermal pad under the stock cooling solution), and smaller process allowing for higher clocking headroom. I was able to buy a bfg 6800GT, leadtek 6800GT tdh, and asus 6800GT for all of the same price that i would get my GS. I checked reviews, i checked performance with friends, i've checked scores, paper and real world the GS rocks the elders. the 6800 has been mastered. this is the last revision..
     
  18. alanm

    alanm Ancient Guru

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    I'm disappointed with nVidia. So they're not really looking to fulfill the remaining AGP market need, but just a clearing of stock. If what you say is true, then any positive reviews on the AGP could mislead some buyers into over-estimating their cards.

    edit: in response to HeavyH20's last post.
     
  19. Busta

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    Very well said my friend ;) Too many people here seem pre-occupied with pipelines being the be all of performance :D
    My GS with stock cooling out-clocks any ol GTs with stock cooling and will out perform them more importantly.
    The writings on the wall, deal with it. As for AGP, it's days are numbered, please move on and stop floggin a dead donkey. :D
     
  20. double_cut

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    Looks pretty clear, on AGP the GT is likely the better card, on PCIe the GS is likely to be the better card. Obviously there will be exceptions either way and the most important point? The 6800GS is the only card out of the two being produced so the point is pretty academic.

    Worth noting 3D Mark 2005 isnt a partcularly good indicator of actual gaming performance and at its relatively low resolution and heavy vertex use plays to the strengths of the GS. It will depend a lot on the game and settings used which card will edge (and I do mean slightly edge) ahead. Both are exceptional cards end of story.
     

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