6800GT vs 6800GS... Vote now...

Discussion in 'Videocards - NVIDIA GeForce' started by repapips2004, Nov 22, 2005.

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6800GT or 6800GS

  1. 6800GS

    167 vote(s)
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  2. 6800GT

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    54.6%
  1. repapips2004

    repapips2004 Maha Guru

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    XFX 6800 GS AGP! PICTURE

    wow is this for real! take a look guys...

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    Heres the link...

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    REVIEW CONDUCTED BY ANANDTECH FOR NVIDIA 6800GS PCI-E

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    NVIDIA 6800GS PCI-E

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    The Card, The Test and Power

    The 6800 GS cards will all sport NVIDIA's NV42 core. Previously, NV41 and NV42 cores were used on vanilla 6800 boards. The main difference between the two parts is that the NV41 is run on IBM's 130nm process (and was NVIDIA's first native PCIe part), while NV42 uses TSMC's 110nm process. And where there is a process shrink with no other major changes, higher clock speeds are more accessible.

    Thus, the 6800 GS is physically the same as a vanilla 6800 with a higher core clock speed (425) and paired with GDDR3 at a 1000MHz data rate. From the 6800 GT, we see a decrease of 25% in pixel pipeline, but a ~21.4% increase in core clock speed. The net result is a theoretical core performance decrease of only 9%, but since NV42 doesn't require a bridge chip the results may be even closer than that. This puts the 6800 GS in the same class as the 6800 GT (but at a much lower cost).

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    The card itself is not remarkable looking compared to any of the previous generation 6800 cards out there. We see the familiar SLI connector on top of the card, stock HSF, and combination of one analog and one DVI port. The 6800 GS really does seem to be the result of someone realizing that the vanilla 6800 with an NV42 under the hood and some GDDR3 could revamp NVIDIA's midrange with little added cost.

    The main reason this card will cost less than the 6800 GT is die size. Being manufactured as a 12 pipe / 110nm chip, NV42 will definitely be smaller and more cost efficient than the chip powering the 6800 GT. As far as we know, 6800 GT still uses the NV45 which features 16 pipes and is manufactured on a 130nm process. Combine this with the fact that NV45 is bridged from AGP to PCIe on package, and there is no question about the cost difference between silicon solutions.

    What remains to be seen is how the current market will react. Our initial probes indicate that the 6800 GS will be a very limited offering with its cycle ending in Q1 06. With the potential to perform as well as a 6800 GT for the price of a vanilla 6800, the 6800 GS seems to warrant a longer shelf life than our sources indicate. Either way, the 6800 GS and ATI's X800 GTO parts point to limited run cards with excellent value growing in popularity. As with any good part, we would like to see the products linger a little longer, but the introduction of these late blooming parts is good for consumers in the market for a midrange card no matter why NVIDIA and ATI created them.

    For our performance tests, we used this system:

    Test Hardware

    CPU: AMD Athlon 64 FX-55 (2.6GHz)
    Motherboard: EPOX NF4 SLI
    Chipset: NVIDIA nForce4 SLI
    Chipset Drivers: nForce4 6.70
    Memory: OCZ PC3500 DDR 2-2-2-7
    Video Card: ATI Radeon X800 XL
    ATI Radeon X800 GTO
    NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT
    NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GS
    NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT
    NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GTX
    Video Drivers: ATI Catalyst 5.10a
    NVIDIA ForceWare 81.87
    Desktop Resolution: 1280x960 - 32-bit @ 60Hz
    OS: Windows XP Professional SP2


    We measured power draw at the wall for each card as well. Load was generated by running our Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory benchmark and observing the maximum power draw. The 6800 GS falls somewhere in the middle of the pack in terms of power draw.

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    Battlefield 2 Performance

    With the first of our performance tests, a trend emerges that we might as well get used to early on. The 6800 GS performs almost identically to the 6800 GT. The pipeline and clock speed differences seem to cancel each other out and give the 6800 GS quite a bit of punch for about $100 less than the 6800 GT. Not only this, but the 6800 GS handily beats out the X800 GTO and the X800 XL in this benchmark. With the GTO priced slightly lower and the X800 XL a little higher, the 6800 GS leads not only NVIDIA's own camp, but ATI's as well.

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    Doom 3 Performance

    Doom 3's engine typically favors NVIDIA hardware, and this round of tests falls in line with the rest. Again the 6800 GS performed the same as the 6800 GT, and again both of those cards led the pack in our tests.

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    F.E.A.R. Performance

    For this test, we ran F.E.A.R. with out soft shadows not only because of the severe performance penalty, but also because we feel the effect just looks bad. The ATI cards don't seem to scale as well with resolution as the NVIDIA cards do, but none of this bunch are really able to run the game smoothly at 1600x1200. The sweet spot for the 6800 GS and GT is 1280x960, but the other cards might be better off running at 1024x768.

    Also, while the 6800 GS and GT perform very similarly again, the GT holds a slight edge in this test.

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    Half-Life 2 Performance

    Typically, Half-Life 2 favors ATI hardware. The X800 XL handles this benchmark better than the rest of the cards in the group, but the 6800 cards still manage to hold their own against the X800 GTO and 6600 GT. While this game is a bit CPU limited at lower resolutions, Valve's Source engine is fairly popular and that makes HL2 a worth while test

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    6800GS quite impressive. A much lower price than 6800GT but with a desirable performance...

    if this card would also come in AGP, WOW!

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    Click here to view the complete review from ANANDTECH

    We heared the news that NVIDIA would released their "LAST AGP VERSION" thats the 6800GS for the price just under $250US.

    Vote now...
     
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  2. Nickf

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    I own a 6800 GT and it has 16 pipelines, the 6800 GS only has 12. Thus 6800 GT > 6800 GS
     
  3. Pepperoni7

    Pepperoni7 Member Guru

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    However GS has 425 Mhz core....
     
  4. repapips2004

    repapips2004 Maha Guru

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    from theinquirer.net

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    NVIDIA IS racing against time to introduce its new AGP cards. The Santa Clara based company is planning to enrich its AGP offering and to introduce Geforce 6800GS AGP cards. This card will solve its AGP shortage problem, or at least alleviate it a bit.
    Nvidia is hoping to ship the cards in next two to three weeks, it's tight but with some luck Nvidia might hit the stores before its too late for the Yule madness shopping. We reported about Nvidia's lack of 6800 standard chip for AGP here but learned that it will replace it with new, old cards.

    Unlike Geforce 6800 AGP, the new Geforce 6800GS AGP will be based on good old NV40 chips. This means Nvidia is reaching for IBM production facilities one more time and it sounds to me that it can get more NV40 from IBM that it could get NV41s from TSMC.

    We don’t know the final clock speed of this product but we are suspecting 425MHz core and 1000MHz memory. We will let you know as soon as we nail some hard numbers.

    ATI still looks better in the AGP area as it doesn’t have any major shortages. At the same time, it's getting very hard to find many 6600GT AGP cards around. The new 6800GS AGP will fill the gap and will get Nvidia in the AGP game as soon as it ships it.

    Partners are waiting for the chips as they all realise that they can sell it. Don’t be fooled by PCIe glamour as AGP is here to stay for at least a few more years.
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    So if it is really an NV40 Technology, then there are posibilities to unlock more pipelines... :D:D


    GURU's out there that knew the real deal, please correct me...

    Click here to check the comparison first, before casting your vote...
     
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  5. SkyDiveee

    SkyDiveee Member Guru

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    GT is the pimp GS is the Biatch simple :p
     
  6. r0k0

    r0k0 Ancient Guru

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    i would take the GS most its cheaper and has a better core clock
    even if the GT has 16 pipeline and the GS 12
     
  7. ViciousXUSMC

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    GS because its cheaper and can probably overclock to gt performance easy.
     
  8. Vinnie

    Vinnie Ancient Guru

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    Voted for my 6800GT :D
     
  9. wizard8873

    wizard8873 Master Guru

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    GS, its cheaper, performs and about the same level, a great overclocker, and it does look like the agp verison might have unlockable pipeline. think about it, a 16 pipeline 6800gs running at 425/1000. wouldnt that be great
     
  10. NewMachineIII

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    Considering the current VGC in my PC is no longer in production. Very fortunate I say I am, in getting it.
     

  11. Estropin

    Estropin New Member

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    although i own 6800Gt, i would vote for GS, price/performance ratio is great
     
  12. bug77

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    The GS is much cheaper (and available) and it performs on par. It has 75% of the pipes of a GT, but the core is clocked about 133% higher. On the reference board.
     
  13. scipio

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    i used to have a gt and i loved it, but i voted for gs because of price. if you're going to spend a lot then 7800 is the way to go
     
  14. Shex

    Shex Ancient Guru

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    Ye I think the 6800GS would be a better choice, the highly overclocked core gives it that extra edge IMO.
     
  15. Liquidium

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    Exactly!:dave:
     

  16. r3g

    r3g Maha Guru

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    GT > GS plain and simple
     
  17. GODzillaSDM

    GODzillaSDM Ancient Guru

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    I just learned something today about video cards.
    Memory bandwidth is MemSpeed X Membits /8. The GT & GS, both have same memory speed and memory bits so both are:
    1000Mhz X 256bits /8 = 32000MBs or 32GBs.

    The Pixel Fill rate is calculated by the CoreSpeed X pipelines.
    GS = 425*12 = 5100Mpixels/s vs
    GT = 350*16 = 5600Mpxels/s

    The GT has 8.9% faster pixel fill rate. While Memory Bandwidth is same.

    But if you look at prices on newegg, the difference between $285 and $209 is 26% more in cost.

    The GT may have a small performance lead, but the GS is a much better VALUE.
     
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  18. bug77

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    Yeah, but that's the reference card. My GS is clocked at 485 core... Never saw 6800GTs to come with ao +10% core clock either.
     
  19. grimsanta

    grimsanta Master Guru

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    Most of you GT owners must not realize that the GS performs the exact same in benchmark after benchmark.

    The GS is truely a great card, and after OCing it, actually outperforms the GT.

    I say GS
     
  20. shaolin95

    shaolin95 Master Guru

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    6800GT all the way. I would buy the GS for a second machine if I had to (and probably will) but for my main the GT rules. Most are forgeting that almost all GT OC to over Ultra performance and with 16 pipelines it will kill any speed advantage of the GS. Still in price peformance its hard to match the GS. Its the new king of price/performance (previous was the 6600gt imho).
     

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