5700 upgrade to 6000 series

Discussion in 'Videocards - AMD Radeon' started by BlitzTown, Oct 30, 2020.

  1. BlitzTown

    BlitzTown Active Member

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    is it worth it or can i get a lil more life out of the 5700?
     
  2. Undying

    Undying Ancient Guru

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    1440p resolution? I think rx5700 should be doing just fine.
     
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  3. JonasBeckman

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    2560x1440 with 8 GB is hitting close to the limit in Watch_Dogs and Monster Hunter World but otherwise doing pretty well.
    Tuning down the settings a little also allows closer to 60 FPS if the game or game engine isn't too problematic in how it scales but for a high refresh rate display you have to lower things down further.

    Was thinking of a upgrade to a 3080 or a 6800XT myself might even allow for downsampling but a 2x2 from 2560x1440 is 5120x2880 and despite certain claims I don't see the new cards as going much above 3840x2160 especially for upcoming games.
    Going to smooth out the performance dips and potential hardware problems of the 5700XT too but I am going to wait a bit at least to see what NVIDIA's newer drivers can do and the same on AMD plus what the launch situation is for RDNA2 now.

    Did a bit of that for the 5700 but not enough and as a result that first year was tough ha ha.
    Would pair nice with a 5000 series CPU but it's not worth the I assume around 700 to 1000 Euro (5800X to 5900X) even with potential (In some games.) gains from the CPU controlling the VRAM more directly when paired with the 6000 series GPU.
    (If AMD is the path to go for this time, pricing wise it'll be less expensive but the software situation for the drivers is a question as there's a number of open and unlisted issues AMD should be resolving or already have resolved by now.)

    D3D12_2 and stuff for 2022+ but it's not a big thing the support isn't launching until mid 2021 in Windows 10 anyway and from there to implementing and utilization so by the point it's a requirement and will do more useful functionality chances are the new GPU and other hardware improvements will be available anyway.
    (Consoles could see some of it moved in early though as a addition to D3D12_0/D3D12_1 but to what extent and effect remains to be seen.)

    Ray tracing well I am curious to see how that's going to turn out but as it's looking I miss improvements for shadows, reflections and some similar specific effects for a easy 30 - 50% performance net at least until things improve and this starts being a more meaningful addition. (Plus how much NVIDIA is going to have their RTX and AMD has DXR directly - or something? - and how the two interfere and might not be entirely compatible and all that stuff too. Yay.)
     
  4. OnnA

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    In the light of new Leaked Benchmarks for 6800XT -> it's the best GPU for 1440p with RT Enabled.
    You should have 70-120FPS with RT, depends on title.

    Im now a little more leaning to 6800XT - this GPU will be a Beast
    (UV and other Tricks/Tweaks + driver opt. and we can have add. 15% easy in 3 months period + New OMEGA in december with new Features) :eek::D:p:)
    More optimistic glimpse in to the future (looking at my Vega) will be ~20-25% uplift in pure raster.


    Side note:
    (6900XT is not worth the add. 250€ -> it's just copy-paste from 3090 pricing path but with far less VRAM & underpar support with 3D aplications RT H/W accelerated in mind).

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    For now nV is just done -> they need far more advanced GPU to fight with RDNA2.
    DLSS is just not enough iMhO to be the game changer.

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    I need Sapphire Toxic :p
     
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  5. 0blivious

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    I'm running, effectively, 3K. ( 3440x1440@144 )
    I have a 5700XT and I'm not rushing to spend $600+ on a new GPU just yet.

    I'd say wait for the 6700XT. It should be a significantly better card than the 5700 and won't cost as much as your mortgage. I suspect we'll see it by spring.
     
  6. Undying

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    6700xt would land somewhere between 2080 and 2080ti so thats not significantly faster than 5700 which is 2070 level of performance. We'll see i guess.
     
  7. wavetrex

    wavetrex Maha Guru

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    There might not be a 6700 at all (and neither 6600, 6500...)

    Remember "16" series from nVidia ? Turing, slower, no raytracing, that stuff.
    That's what Navi 1 ( 5000 series ) is now, "good enough" for people that don't aim for high-end.

    AMD can just cut the price of those by another 25% and be done with it.

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    Next gen (Navi 3) coming with even stronger efficiency gains due to new advanced node would replace the entire line (as they can produce them cheaper, for being much smaller chips)
     
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  8. Undying

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    Rx5000 is already discontinued. Amd said they will have entire stack of rx6000 gpus and rx6700xt 12gb is rumored to compete with rtx3060ti. Both cards should support raytracing. If true that could be a decent card around 400$.
     
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  9. CPC_RedDawn

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    With the RDNA1 GPU being EOL now and reports show its not even in production anymore, AMD has no reason not to release a 6700 series of cards or even a 6600 and 6500 with RDNA2 chips that don't meet at least 6800 spec. So dropping to around a 52-56CU for the 6700, and dropping again to a 40CU 6600 and then again to a 32-36CU 6500. Then after a while moving APU's to RDNA2 as well with 3-6-8-12 or even 16CU APU's. If I was AMD I would be trying to get everything onto RDNA2 as soon as possible. Imagine APU's that are capable of RT.... This is what will get developers to truly start using RT, with every market segment having the capability.

    As for the mid range GPU's (67,66,6500) I think AMD are just waiting again for Nvidia to reveal their lower end lineup first, to see performance, and pricing where AMD can come in and price match or undercut them whilst performing the same or better.

    I also wouldn't put it past AMD to have even better silicon waiting as a response to Nvidia if they start releasing Super or Ti cards. We could maybe even see a 6900XTX
     
  10. wavetrex

    wavetrex Maha Guru

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    Didn't they deny those rumors of being EOL ?

    https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-5700-series-reach-end-of-life

    "Update: We have been told that Radeon RX 5700 XT is not discontinued. The card will be manufacturer till at least Q1 2021. The RX 5700, on the other hand, is on special order."


    Either my information is outdated, or yours is.
    I am not seeing on AMD site ANY information whatsoever that 5000 series are discontinued
    https://www.amd.com/en/graphics/radeon-rx-graphics

    Quite the contrary, there are very active "Shop now" buttons...
     
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    I think they just stopped production so they could get all the new chips out in time and with stock but I don’t think it’s eol just yet....
     
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  12. BlitzTown

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    Thanks for all the replies i think i will wait and try and get more life from my 5700 xt yes i play @1440
     
  13. Maddness

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    Nothing at all wrong with the 5700XT @1440p, it's a great card. You might as well hold off and see if there ends up being a bit of a price war seeing as this new generation is so evenly matched.
     
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  14. JonasBeckman

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    Yeah if AMD and NVIDIA can match performance maybe pricing can start coming down a bit I have some doubts as to that actually happening but it'd be great if it could be a thing especially if AMD can continue pushing RDNA and further compete against NVIDIA going forward though I don't know how big of a step up from RDNA2 that RDNA3 will end up being since RDNA1 might have been a bit of a early showcase for this new instruction set and architecture thus RDNA2 now being a more dramatic improvement.
    (Like TeraScale 1 to TeraScale 2 back then though from memory that scaling was exceptionally good.)

    Not that the RDNA1 Navi10 cards were bad once some of the most pressing issues were resolved and it was also priced well which RDNA2 is probably going to be a bit above that even for the 6700 as the closest 5700 replacement.
    (6800 as a bit of a cut down of the 6800XT and then the 6900 card as the all out GPU but with a hefty price tag too. :D )
     
  15. H83

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    In your place, i would skip this generation from AMD and Nvidia (6000/3000 series) and save for the next one, when the performance jump is going to be even bigger.
     

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