4K UHD Netflix content on NVIDIA GPUs (update) MS Pulls Free HEVC Support

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  1. Alessio1989

    Alessio1989 Maha Guru

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    Any official Microsoft source about this? On the store is still reported as free. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/p/hevc-video-extension/9n4wgh0z6vhq

    Like they made for MPEG-2 they made the store extension for HEVC too to enable third party store application to play - some (I am not able to play any 10-bit video with the MS decoders!) - HEVC contents without the need of third party libraries
     
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  2. lucidus

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    Let them try all they want, those land-lubbers aren’t gonna stop me :D
     
  3. fantaskarsef

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    hehe of course you are right, I didn't switch to a new HTPC, nor TV (although with the TV there is an itch). It's just that sometimes I have the feeling we're people are the small group of those that perceive this as a PITA, where the rest probably doesn't notice stuff like this at all. PC masterrace etc. :D
     
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    Off Topic: If your connection is made through ADSL I highly recommend using ADSL1 modulations like G.DMT or T1.413 and wait for the retrain process to do its job and you will be good to go... the problem is that the new ADSL2 and ADSL2+ dynamically changes de power of the Downstream and Upstream and with connections low than 4Mbps you will have severe ocillations.

    On Topic: The issue here is the fact that with old hardware even if it stills plays 4k just fine, they cant control it like they want to... so the thing is made like that: Wanna more quality? Buy new tech and you are good to go. I fear that this will be the trend now, create softwares that force us to change hardware every year to be able to always use the most recent resources.
     
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  5. Evildead666

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    Off topic : I live out in the sticks, and its more of a line problem.
    I have losses equivalent to 600m of cable, between me and my neigbour, who is about 20m away.
    the phone company won't do anything, because I'm the last on that line.
     
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  6. rjnagy

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    So am I confused. Here is my system config. Yes I know system ram doesn't matter in this discussion.

    Asus ROG STRIX B350 with a Ryzen Chipset.
    Asus ROG STRIX Nvidia 1080GTX TI 11mb
    32GB RAM
    Windows 10 1709 Build 16299.324
    Nvidia's 391.35 drivers
    Klite codec pack with HEVC 265

    So let me see if I understand this properly:
    I can play 4k games with HDR on my system
    I can play local 4k Videos with HDR support

    However I can't play UHD Discs and this I know as my Pioneer drive came today and apparently I need SGX which some intel only DRM crap.
    I can't play Netflix in 4k w/HDR due to the same bullshit Kaby Lake crap
    YouTube 4k I know I can play....can anyone answer to the whole HDR thing on YouTube?

    I mean it basically sounds like on the hardware side Intel screwed everybody and bought their way into HDR while trying to keep anybody else from providing it in an effort to force you to buy intel's overpriced POS chips. If you don't know what POS is please look it up if you do can you please reply.

    On the online side it sounds like and please tell me whether I am right or wrong that its going to be up to the content provider????

    Wow Intel trying to kill hdr on the pc almost like dolby did with dolbyvision....yes dolby vision may look a little better than hdr10 but really. This is why to my understanding dolby vision which was once hardware specific is no longer being handled just with hardware.
     
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    Oh and to add on yet my xbox one x which costs less than my nvidia 1080 GTX TI and is also AMD based is capable of not only streaming 4k HDR to my knowledge but has a UHD optical drive in it that supports playback. Yet my entire desktop probably costs 4-5 times more than my xbox one x....amazing!!!!!!

    Thanks Intel this is why I don't buy Intel, Sony, or Apple Products
     
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    This is crazy so supposedly my 1080GTX has the hardware to deal with Microsoft's DRM.

    Wow I really wish there was something out there comprehensive. Its bad enough when buying all the hardware to make sure its hdr compatible. I mean I know my tv and receiver are good at they both support hdrt10 and dolbyvision.

    People really all this and the funny part is....in the end the only one this hurts is the consumer. The pirate groups are probably writing more sophisticated algorithms then hollywood or microsoft. This is what drives the costs up.

    Again any one who knows a good site that covers this pretty comprehensively let me know
     
  9. Dragam1337

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    To get youtube hdr, you need to have a vp9.2 decoder... only a few tv's and chromecast ultra has this, aswell as the newest intel cpu's (as you mentioned)

    Edit: But the info seems way messed up on this.

    https://www.anandtech.com/show/12171/a-budget-home-theater-pc-setup-4k-hdr-uhd-bluray-and-more/6

    They use 2 different intel based systems, both of which has 7th gen intel cpu's, but the 1 with a dedicated gtx 1080 won't load vp9.2, where as the one using the integrated gpu can do youtube hdr...

    There seems to be no info on this, but it seems that whatever device is outputting the signal, is the one that needs to have the decoder, and it appears pascal only has a vp9.0 decoder, not vp9.2.
     
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    yeah that kills me....nothing like watering down and killing the market at the same time
     

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    Wait, people are using a pc to watch netflix, how quaint. Lol
     
  13. Redemption80

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    Some people run everything from their PC. (No TV/console/media streaming device)

    I still use my PC for 90% of the stuff I watch, but that is because my preferred player is Mediaportal and MadVR as a renderer is fantastic. It does mean watching stuff can end up with the complexity of setting up a PC game, but some of us are masochists lol.

    The Netflix app on Windows is awful and borderline unusable if you are using a remote control, but was used daily by my wife until we got a new Tivo box and a FireStick.

    A PC is only good for HTPC usage if it’s for illegal or self-ripped content, I always recommend people avoid using a PC at all costs for anything legal.

    The DRM situation will only get worse as no one cares about pissing off legitimate customers, the amount how do not own a SmartTV, console or Chomecast/Firestick/ROKU is so tiny that it’s insignificant.
     
  14. fantaskarsef

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    I agree with you, but it's not the PC user's fault. I pay for netflix etc, and tbh. when firefox just "decided" to cut off the api towards amazon prime for instance, it simply stopped working. I mean, no warning? No info on what actually happened? Took me 2 hours of googling to find the answer that my problem was supposed to be like this, intended by the ff foundation. Well, thanks you f*cks. And no, there is no APP for my PC, they'd be called PROGRAMS for me and no, there isn't one either for win7.

    I don't own a smart TV since I was smart enough to buy a model that served me well until now, the last 11 years now already. Paid a little more, that's why it still has what I need in supported standards.
    I quit using a console because console games simply didn't appeal to me any more, and honestly, the money I was spending on PS3 and games was in no comparison to what I used on my PC during that time. With the money spend on two dozen games and the console itself (let alone additional hardware you have to buy these days like extra controllers and charging stations and wtf you name it), I used the same amount of money to upgrade my gaming rig and buy 2 games, practically the same time spent with the same money, only a lot more investment in the long term use of the PC with a console that's now basically a brick.
    Why should I buy myself any of those sticks since I wanted to browse on my TV too, and play games (no console) without suffering a nervous breakdown without a keyboard and a proper mouse, so I just hooked up my old gaming rig with splendid success, hardware wise. Still works well.

    Yeah, I'm a dying species, but I completely agree with your second sentence, nobody of those stupid marketing driven idiots cares about pissing off paying legit customers, they're more worried about geoblocking and DRM than actually giving people a chance to want to pay for it. That's just how I see it.
     
  15. Redemption80

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    I never suggested it was the fault of PC users, only that they should cancel Amazon Prime/Netflix subscriptions if they plan on only using them on a PC.
     
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  16. Yxskaft

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    Well, I've turned older PCs into HTPCs. I just prefer being able to do whatever I want compared to other limited media devices.
    The benefit long term is also that you typically just need to get a new graphics card when it's old, whereas the other media devices require a full replacement.

    As for Netflix, Internet Explorer and lately Edge have always been the best browsers if you can't use the Netflix app.
     
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  17. fantaskarsef

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    I was specifically referring to this:

    I meant to say, the PC is not the issue here, but lackluster support for it by the ones offering the content.
     
  18. Redemption80

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    Ah, tbf I thought it was clear I was putting the blame on the legal providers.

    It’s been like this for at least a decade now, ever since I bought a HDDVD and BD drive, then quickly realised it was a waste of time.
     
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  19. fantaskarsef

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    Yeah exactly that, my BD drive is nice to have, but I've watched less than a dozen blu rays on it, and if I'd have to build a new HTPC I wouldn't put an OD in there anymore too.
     
  20. Redemption80

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    Doing things legally on the PC was just more expensive than with a dedicated player, and I was still having to deal with DRM restrictions like downsampled high res audio when using PCM.

    The HDDVD drive went first for obvious reasons, then the BD drive got removed so I could get better cable management in my old PC case, and even when I got a bigger case I didn’t want to ruin the look by having an optical drive.

    I pay for Prime Video and Netflix, but on the PC I prefer to download the streams so I can play them via Mediaportal and MadVR as I get better image quality that way.
     

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