Discussion in 'Videocards - NVIDIA GeForce' started by sajibjoarder, Sep 22, 2020.
is it wise to use a 4770k oced with a rtx 3070.. is it gonna bottleneck ??
YES ...... ~5% on certain games
Depends on the game. A 4c/8t cpu from 2013 probably isnt the best pair with a brand new gpu.
It's a bottleneck for sure, but if you're a gamer then screw it. A new GPU can never hurt.
It depends on the resolution and frame rate you are figuring to target with your system as well as the program.
Higher frame-rate is dependent on both CPU and GPU speed. Higher resolution more dependent on GPU than CPU.
If it's 4k @ 60hz you are targeting, an overclocked 4770k with an rtx 3070 will work just fine in the majority of games.
If it's 1440p @ 120hz+, the 4770k may become a bottleneck if the program does not fully utilize all of its processing cores or has a lot of CPU-intensive calculations (like animations or number of players on screen at once).
For reference, i still plan on using my 4790k @ 4.7ghz with a GPU that is on the level of an rtx 3080 from either AMD or Nvidia, to drive a 4k @ 120hz screen (after seeing what AMD releases).
I can tell you going the other direction...
Intel Core i7-3820 --> Ryzen 9 3800 using my old GTX 1070 and it brought some new life into that card. I'm still awaiting the 3000 series GPU but changing out the CPU/RAM made a significant difference. That tells me you'll leave some performance on the table with a 4770.
I have an i7-4770K and I find that I can play most games at 1440p on maxed out settings fine but there are more and more games were I have to cap them at 30 fps to have a smooth experience, e.g. Marvel's Avengers which just feels horrid at 30-60 fps even with adaptive resolution enabled on my G-SYNC display so I have capped it at 30 fps. Feels great but I would rather have 60 fps.
My i7-4770K has had a good long life, I built my PC back in June 2013, but next year I will definitely be upgrading to a Ryzen 4000 CPU system with an RTX 3080. I am considering buying the RTX 3080 first - if I can find one of the damn things in STOCK! - before I build my new PC though as I will still see a general increase in performance across games. Building new PCs means having to set up everything again, reinstall games, etc. - I know it must be done eventually but this is the reason I have not upgraded sooner. Besides CPU ugrades are pretty boring, right, compared with a new GPU?
You will gain performance, and more fps, at least at 1440p and/or higher.
Will you get all the performance the card can deliver though? That remains to be seen, but chances are with a faster/more threaded cpu you will have even better performance.
So how long are you gonna do with that video card? Because you could upgrade the cpu next year or after, and carry that 3070 with it. Then after some time you can upgrade the videocard again to meet your upfgraded cpu etc.
At least that's how I do it for some time now.
Just wait for the reviews. They already tested 3080 cards with the i7 4770k. Overclocked a bit though. I'm fairly certain they will test that 3070 with old gen cpu's too.
A good watch.
All results for that video is with a 2080 Ti (supposedly similar to a 3070). There are a lot of good upgrades for you. Your CPU with an overclock is pretty much equivalent to an i3 10300 in games, pairing that with a $500+ GPU doesn't make sense.
I also had a 4770K, on that CPU I used a GTX 970 and GTX 1080. And that's pretty much the reasonable limit for that CPU. Even with the GTX 1080 (your GPU) I noticed a sizable uptick in FPS and smoothness with a CPU upgrade.
If the 3070 will be readily available for purchase for you at launch, get it while you can, then think about upgrading the rest of the system soon after.
If the 3070 isn't readily available (which is more likely) then upgrade your CPU, motherboard, and RAM instead. Enjoy the benefits of that until stock on the 3070 improves. This is what I would do.
Aim for an Intel 10600K or AMD 3700X. Both are about $300, a little less than what you paid for the 4770K all those years ago.
The 3700X has 8 cores and offers a big upgrade in 1440p (and below) gaming. And destroys what you have in other general use applications.
The 10600K has two fewer cores at 6, but offers a huge upgrade in 1440p (and below) gaming. And really, this is the only way you're going to get those super high FPS at 1080p.
Even at 4k+ I would expect the 4770K to suffer with a 3070, probably not hugely. But still ill advised. At 4k, either CPU upgrade would do about the same.
Though, I personally don't view the 3070 as a 'good' 4k GPU. (I know it's not out yet, just estimating) More so a high FPS 1440p GPU, necessitating the need for a new CPU.
you have no idea what you are talking about. the 3070 is going to be close to the 2080 ti so a 4770k would be a laughable bottleneck. a 4770k cant even average 60 fps in some newer games never mind maintain it. my 4770k at 4.3 was a huge limitation on my 1080 ti and in some cpu heavy games I literally doubled my min fps with a stock 9900k. the 3070 deserves to be on modern 6 core/ 12 thread cpu to get full use out of it.
EDIT: one of the first games I had tested after upgrading was Watch Dogs 2 because I was miserable in that game with my 4770k being at 100% most of the time and dropping well below 60 fps quite a bit.
49 fps with 4770k oced to 4.3
103 fps with stock 9900k
At least someone with an 4770 has confirmed bottleneck on CERTAIN GAMES (more than ~5%).
Yes it will, if you have it massively OC'ed, it won't bottleneck massively on some outdated non multi-threaded engines like Dunia because those bottleneck on the CPU regardless.
It will hold for a year or so for zen3 / new intel gen to come out.
I wouldn't buy the 3080 if i were you however, your system is almost ancient and the 3080 will be getting a 20gb and/or Ti variant if you actually are waiting for new CPU's to come out that will be suited to a non 10gb variant far more.
Yopu can always get one of these
My thoughts think I am for my cpu!
thaks every one.. i think it will bottleneck but im looking for 4k res. and i think this card is capable of 4k. i'm not intending to take a new cpu now. caz i'm not happy with intel neither im happy with amd. right now none of them has a clear lead. im looking at next year. right now im using a 1080.. and it doesnt bottleneck with my cpu at all.. before i had 290x crossfire (that was horrible) with this cpu. fact is i wanna see the rtx effects and run the new games with ultra.. my expectation from 3070 is like a 2080ti. so this video is helpful i think
It will bit, not as bad as 2600k or 3770k.
I had to downgrade for now to a 4thread 4core and its noooot that bad either, ye there are moments when i see 99-100% on all cores, but lucky it copes with it @4.9ghz thanks to @CPC_RedDawn , almost like my old 4770k @4.6ghz.
4670k? Scoop a cheap 4790k, it must be able to find it used this days.
Its a 4690k, nah used 4790k is just too expensive.. checking ebay here and there and all are from 160e+, idk what people are thinking when selling them, 4770k is too much of a lottery by oc, I saw a few for 100-130e, but if it Oc bad it would be money wasted.
Would rather buy totally new 2020cpu then, e.g. i5 10500 for 200e and later upgrade to rocket lake.. heck even i3 10320 for 150e might be a option.
But I think I will just wait for now and see what new AMD does, 5800x might be interesting
Just got a power meter today to measure my PC's power usage during gaming. It uses around 240 W during bootup and into Windows then rises to 400-450 W while playing Horizon Zero Dawn with a 60 FPS on maxed out 1440p settings. I was actually surprised at how low that figure was for my GTX 1080 Ti. I expected it to be 600-650 W at least with the number of SSDs/hard drives (6x internal & 3x external) and 2x BD drives plugged in. That means I have plenty of headroom for a RTX 3080 which only uses 60-80 W more than the 1080 Ti. Good to know.
Highest power usage I have seen while playing games is 488 W which was Project CARS 3 with an uncapped framerate.