2TB version Samsung 980 Pro with 136 Layer (V-NAND v6) surfaces in webshops

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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  2. RavenMaster

    RavenMaster Maha Guru

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    I Iwonder when they'll start making 4TB versions of these. Or even 4TB EVO versions
     
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    While their drives are top, prices are not what I would like an "passive" storage to cost.
    We pay a lot for small amount of memory, where we flip bits at high rate all the time. And we flip high percentage of all available bits.
    But with storage, we do not really flip that often. We read and read and read.
    And even then, most of practical use general gamin population has never even reaches read limits of PCIe3.0 x4 storage.

    For me, even my two PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe storages became kind of vanity item. (That means they do not really do that much more for me above SATA SSDs.)
    Most benefit I get is in productivity/virtualization/large data manipulation. General gaming? No.

    And while I am happy that this technology moves forward, there is need for cost efficiency too. Because without that, playing field is rather leveled without direct I/O or drastic evolution in CPU efficient compression.
    I mean, read speed of my storage can be saturated with 2C/4T and few specific compressions which are nowhere to be seen in games.
    And if they were, how would people look at games that use more than one thread for storage I/O?
    (Especially people without spare CPU cores.)
    But even with use of one core, proper compression methods increase throughput a lot.

    And that's the thing here. Technology that enables proper use of such storage in games is somewhere in future. And till then, buying drive this fast is pointless at premium price.
    It is not even future proofing, because at time one can actually utilize it properly, there will be plenty more at better price points.

    If someone needs storage SSD, SATA will do at much lower price point.
     
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    If you have got a lot of extra cash, it's not pointless at all. It should be a jolly good SSD. It's not like you'd be held back by extra performance in PC tech. Who knows, some fancy IO heavy game ported from the new consoles could put it to good use. I also doubt this kind of SSD would be bought by a person with some underwhelming 4-core CPU.

    The bigger problem would be PCIe 4.0 SSDs not getting any cheaper in general in the near future. They are still quite expensive, partially because Intel systems didn't support them. Soon, however, both Intel folks and console users might buy them in larger numbers, which could affect manufacturers' interest in offering new, cheaper models.
     

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    It's been available for pre-order at Samsung's site for $429.99. January 29th.
     
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    Ill stick with my 1TB drive I got for $60 that is 4000 read and write.
     
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    Hope we get more 4+tb sizes this year (that aint qlc)
     
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    As Fox2232 said PCIe 3.0 x4 NVMe is more of a bragging item right now.
    I have a WD Black SN850 (7000/5100 so 2 TB version which is slower than 1 TB version) but I really can't feel the difference in loading times between this and my SSD Samsung 860 Evo for games and normal use - maybe when I compile and run a simulation library from work I can feel that the process is faster and the system feel snappier using the same drive for temp files during compile and so on...
    The major difference for me is in temperature: WD black 51 degrees vs Samsung 28 degrees (idle)...in full load I've seen 75 degrees on WD...I will buy a custom heatsink since the one from the motherboard (thermal pad included) is not enough to cool this beast.
     
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    Heat and cost per gb or well tb at this point is why i wont have one these drive any time soon. I really hope the fact sony went to this extreme for storage on console it push the prices down on both Sata/NVMe dramaticly, but i higly doubt it

    Seriously storage that hot as gpu under load? no thanks. and that if I was even will to pay the 400$ price tag the 2tb drives have, which i wont

    If people got money for this for for, most people still have problems paying prices sata ssd have @ 1tb still, special when they see for that 100$ you can get4-5tb from hdd, and most people arnt creators or gamers or doing anything are heavy on i/o that they would notice it from there day to day routines at lest not enough to warrant such price tag
     
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    You don't feel it because games do not really use it, it's possible due to ps5/xbox going over to m.2 we might start to see games use it, it might also help with SAM or pcie addressable bar performance (But that we will have to wait for)

    Some games help with loading using the m.2 but it's quite small, like going from 20 seconds to 17, performance increase is there but clearly it's being bottleneck by game engines or something else. You can see the same on the new consoles, if you had say a ps4 pro with an SSD like I did, now playing with the ps5 the loading times on games not made for it is a tiny improvement, but then you get games like Spiderman remastered and you see the 1 second loading screen thats the Whoa factor right there.
     

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    honestly if you need mass fast storage, SSD's are more than enough for the majority of tasks, then have a smaller m.2 for newest of games that may benefit from m.2.

    Similar to how it was couple years ago with HDD for mass storage and SSD for modern games/OS
     
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    Then buy more ssd's and put them in raid-0 :)
    This is how I'm getting larger ssd arrays. I don't care about the higher sequential read and write, only the larger space.

    Looks like 980pro isn't very PRO compared to WD Black Sn850

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    Too bad for you, because all ssd's is pretty much raid-0 arrays of nand memory. So if you don't trust Raid-0, you are doomed to use something else than ssd's :D

    Userfailure is real, and a thing you should being worried about ;)
     
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    I don't trust users with only one nVME slot :p So maybe you don't even need 4TB ssd anyway ;)
     
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    Mayby you have the wrong motherboard? :p
     

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    It is exactly as I wrote. That fancy game does not exist, yet. And it will take quite a few CPU cores to actually saturate decompression.
    Or Direct I/O. Paying just in case is pointless.
     
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    Why not using pci-e m.2 adapter(s)? You have enough pci-e lanes :)
     
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    Nah, iv got the 4tb Sabrent (tlc memory) for games only, plan to get another 4tb sabrent for games only (but would like bigger), and iv a 1tb samsung 970 evo nvme for os only, i plan to get a normal sata samsung ssd 4tb just for backup/music pics etc

    The price difference to me is so small between good quality 4tb sata and nvme that its better to just pay the small extra for faster nvme since my motherboard supports them fine.
     
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    Later this year we should have DirectStorage which will make better use of NVMe storage and improve load speeds etc once game developers start to use it. Whether or not it's compatible with PCIe gen 3 drives or requires gen 4 I don't know, but in the not to distant future we should be able to better utilise fast storage.
     
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    I thought paying just in case is pretty normal in PC tech. And in fact quite a few other techs.
     

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