anyway,for anyone that's interested. I used this https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/r...o-be-7-4-slower-than-geforce-rtx-3080.435302/ for comaprison between 3070 and 2080Ti cause I'm eyeing a used 2080Ti Lightning Z for a small premium over a new 3070 avg. of 17 reviews shows 2080Ti 1.2% faster than 3070. tpu shows 2080Ti lightning Z 8.7% faster than 2080Ti reference It achieves a 9.8% oc on top of that that's 1.21x performance of 3070 FE for comparison the best aib 3070 (ftw ultra) achieves 3.1% perf over 3070fe and a 6.8% oc, that's 1.10x perf of 3070FE altogether so in the end comparing best aibs 2080Ti ends up 10% faster than 3070. not unnoticeable.extra vram is a point for 2080Ti too. 3070 achieves better noise/temp/efficiency levels. what do you guys think ? used 2080Ti Lightning Z (2 yrs warranty left) or a new 3070 in my case ? used for 1440p 165Hz. I have until tomorrow to make up my mind. 6800 is an option too,a good one at that.But given the adoption rate of dlss 2.0 into modern triple A's like cp2077 and wd:l and amd's lack of tangible response I'm not going to bet on team red this time,though I'd like to.It's uncertain how amd's sampling will perform,look and when it will be ready,so please don't recommend a rx6000 card.