2080Ti or 3070

Discussion in 'Videocards - NVIDIA GeForce' started by cucaulay malkin, Nov 22, 2020.

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2080Ti or 3070

  1. 2080Ti Lightning Z used

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  2. 3070 new

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    68.0%
  1. cucaulay malkin

    cucaulay malkin Master Guru

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    anyway,for anyone that's interested.
    I used this

    https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/r...o-be-7-4-slower-than-geforce-rtx-3080.435302/

    for comaprison between 3070 and 2080Ti cause I'm eyeing a used 2080Ti Lightning Z for a small premium over a new 3070

    avg. of 17 reviews shows 2080Ti 1.2% faster than 3070.
    tpu shows 2080Ti lightning Z 8.7% faster than 2080Ti reference
    It achieves a 9.8% oc on top of that

    that's 1.21x performance of 3070 FE

    for comparison the best aib 3070 (ftw ultra) achieves 3.1% perf over 3070fe and a 6.8% oc,
    that's 1.10x perf of 3070FE altogether

    so in the end comparing best aibs 2080Ti ends up 10% faster than 3070.
    not unnoticeable.extra vram is a point for 2080Ti too.
    3070 achieves better noise/temp/efficiency levels.

    what do you guys think ? used 2080Ti Lightning Z (2 yrs warranty left) or a new 3070 in my case ? used for 1440p 165Hz. I have until tomorrow to make up my mind.

    6800 is an option too,a good one at that.But given the adoption rate of dlss 2.0 into modern triple A's like cp2077 and wd:l and amd's lack of tangible response I'm not going to bet on team red this time,though I'd like to.It's uncertain how amd's sampling will perform,look and when it will be ready,so please don't recommend a rx6000 card.
     
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  2. mackintosh

    mackintosh Master Guru

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    I'd always go with new. Less likely a driver update down the line is going to break something that never ends up getting properly fixed. The difference in performance is negligible. The only reason I would personally get a 2080Ti now is if it were significantly cheaper than a new 3070.
     
  3. The Goose

    The Goose Ancient Guru

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    Well my Msi 3070 xtrio has cost me £550 from scan which should be slightly better than the 3070FE but maybe on par with a 2080ti at mostly half the price....no brainer.
     
  4. cucaulay malkin

    cucaulay malkin Master Guru

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    I can get a 2080ti lightning for 3000pln and some low-end 3070 aib for 2900pln.

    what driver update are you talking about ?
     
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  5. DocStr4ngelove

    DocStr4ngelove Master Guru

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    Take whatever you can get. Life's too short to wait until scalpers are banned from Ebay.
     
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  6. mackintosh

    mackintosh Master Guru

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    No driver in particular, just referring to nvidia's history of accidentally nerfing older products in the past, and generally not being particularly interested in brining enhancements to retired architectures. Though maybe they're better at it nowadays, I haven't been keeping tabs.

    Honestly, I wouldn't get either card @ 3000 PLN. The 3080's MSRP is 3299 PLN. Availability will most likely improve in coming months, especially seeing how AMD delivered a fairly interesting alternative. I suppose it all comes down to how much you need to upgrade at this very instant.
     
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  7. DannyD

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    That 8gb tho ..:p
     
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  8. cucaulay malkin

    cucaulay malkin Master Guru

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    okay I'll buy both and have them race :D
     
  9. Astyanax

    Astyanax Ancient Guru

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    Kindly discontinue this line of discussion, it is contemptible, wrong and perpetuates a debunked myth.
     
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  10. cucaulay malkin

    cucaulay malkin Master Guru

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    I've a backup 1070 strix
    I need a card before cp2077

    true.
    in fact nvidia has a better history with not breaking their old cards than amd fixing their new ones :eek:
     
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  11. Noisiv

    Noisiv Ancient Guru

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    Mmm tough one. Surprised to see 7 vs 1 votes.

    Lightning: raw power, OC, +3GB, Lightning
    3070: "quality of life", power consumption, brand NEW, Fire&Forget (set 0.9V and never again look at temps or hear GPU)

    I'm undecided...
     
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  12. toyota

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    8 GB is NOT going to cut it going forward. Horizon Zero Dawn at 1440p will eat all of that up after a while in the wide open areas and will start hitching requiring textures to be lowered. I noticed that and found others with the same issue on the Steam forums. It also is not enough for uber textures in Wolfenstein Youngblood at 1440p with max settings and ray tracing. Hell I fired up Half Life Alyx on my Quest 2 using Link and it told me my vram was maxed out and I was not even on the highest settings. There are a couple of other games too and this is current games so imagine the next couple of years for those top demanding games. 2080 Ti would be my choice now and then get something else later if you feel the need for an upgrade.
     
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  13. cucaulay malkin

    cucaulay malkin Master Guru

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    me too
    2080ti lightning for a$30 premium over 3070 would be a no brainer for me
     
  14. mackintosh

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    Bear in mind that nvidia is supposed to introduce their own SAM implementation on Ampere. While these gains may not be significant now, they might improve over time, certainly enough to close that performance gap. I really think this just comes down to memory and whether you believe nvidia will keep things as optimised for Turing as they will for Ampere.
     
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  15. cucaulay malkin

    cucaulay malkin Master Guru

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    why don't I get notifications for my own thread,dafuq

    anyway,that is all sound advice Mackintosh.I do believe turing will get optimized,it was the first gpu to fully support dx12ult and it'll continue to go head to head with 3070.


    that sam you were referring to might give 3070 just enough extra performance to make up for that small edge that 2080ti has due to better oc and higher bandwidth but that's not yet confirmed,though I'm sure it will be coming for ampere as nvidia said.

    I chose to wait until dec 10 and then whatever seems best to me,a new card will be prefereable.I may just be happy with a 3060Ti if that really beats 2080S and has good cost per frame for 1440p
     

  16. BuildeR2

    BuildeR2 Ancient Guru

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    As the happy owner of an MSI Gaming X Trio 2080Ti flashed to Lightning Z, I would go with the 2080Ti. I am able to run 24/7 clocks of ~2100MHz core (+120) and 8000MHz memory (+1000) and keep the fans quiet enough to where I don't hear them. The additional 3GB of VRAM could soon make a difference and the raw bandwidth of ~700GB/sec is nothing to sneeze at.

    Then there is the "cool" factor of owning a Lightning GPU, if that sways you at all. In the end I could not bring myself to buy a GPU with 8GB of VRAM at the end of 2020. Having had an R9 390 with 8GB (2015), a 1070 with 8GB (2017), an RX 480 with 8GB (2018) and then 1080Ti (2018) and 2080Ti (2019) with 11GB I just cannot rationalize it. In the end it is up to you and I look forward to your experience and overclocking adventures either way!
     
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  17. Dragam1337

    Dragam1337 Ancient Guru

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    2080 ti just for the 3gb more vram. That 8gb is too little in several games at max settings already now.
     
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  18. Zenoth

    Zenoth Maha Guru

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    Maybe wait for a 3070 revision, maybe the 3070 Super / Ti will have more vRam.

    If not, then I agree, go with the 2080 Ti instead. It's true, 8GB of vRam for high-end cards is almost laughable for a new generation product. We're closing on 2021, we're not in 2015 anymore, it's time to move to 12GB as a standard. I find that even 10GB on the 3080 is low. I would also wait for the 3080 Super and hoping it gets bumped up to 12GB.
     
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  19. emperorsfist

    emperorsfist Maha Guru

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    I mean, you can only wait on ANY of the new stuff (since all seems sold out), but get a new card, not a used one. You'll have warranty.
     
  20. Dragam1337

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    Several of the 2080 ti's have a 4 year warranty (mine does) - so there is still more than 2 years left on it.
     
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