Hottest year in history. Global warming is real.

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  1. aufkrawall2

    aufkrawall2 Ancient Guru

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    It's the more recent ones that are failing in France. Which company is supposed to build them in a timely manner and without major failure? It is far more unrealistic than to get green energies done right, and energy prices also exploded in countries with mostly fossil power sources.
    Nuclear power is basically socialist, no private company would ever do that without billions of tax money going down the drain.
     
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    Horus-Anhur Ancient Guru

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    tsunami231 Ancient Guru

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    humanity do what it does best. this sadly is only going to get worse
     
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    user1 Ancient Guru

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    I'm aware I mentioned more extreme weather, but again there is little predictive power with the current climate models, especially over short time frames like decades, the biggest change that is predictable is the increase in evaporation, which leads to more precipitation in some areas , more desertification(as you mentioned) , more powerful storms ect. dont get me wrong , they are legitimate issues, acting like turning off the a/c or using electic cars is going to stop short term fluctuations which can happen regardless of man made climate change however, is foolish

    There is little more that can be done to stop it by reducing emissions through regulation when countries like china exist, active solutions are the only way at this point ( ie actively removing pollution rather than ceasing pollution and hoping it goes away passively in a thousand years) I should also mention that nobody actually knows if it will go 'back to normal', if new weather patterns and currents form, there is no guarantee that it will be completely stopped even if all of the pollution added was removed today.
     
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  5. Clouseau

    Clouseau Ancient Guru

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    Whatever, the scientists and what not cannot even say how much man contributed to this. Yes, we have had an impact, but how much of an impact? Answer that question and all the fear will either turn real or they will be laughed at. There is no doubt climate change is real. It's like no duh it's real. Nothing remains constant while being dynamic, give me a break.

    Unfortunately, it has been getting hotter year after year since the last ice age. oops.
     
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    The models for climatology are getting increasingly better with time, with more accurate data and better tools.
    Did you watch the nVidia presentation about using AI to help create better models for meteorology and climatology? It was very impressive stuff.

    But you are right, just legislation is not enough. It is necessary alternatives to produce clean energy.
    So it's very important to support financially the development of new tech that can produce clean energy. Be it new solar panels with higher efficiency. Or investment in nuclear energy, both fission and fusion.
    In the last few years we finally got fusion to produce more energy than what it takes to make it work, but it's still in early stages. Had we made a bigger bet on it, we could be a few years, or maybe decades, more advanced.
    Meanwhile we are paying subsidies for oil and gas. Or worse, like in Germany, where those muppets decided to forbit nuclear and bet all on gas, oil coal.
     
  7. Reardan

    Reardan Master Guru

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    From the last IPCC report, the contributions, in degrees, of various human activities as it relates to global warming.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E8WcdlsWEAQvG0b?format=png&name=medium

    This was an embarrassing miss on your part, lets go ahead and move on to the next talking point on the sheet.
     
  8. Clouseau

    Clouseau Ancient Guru

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    That at best is their guess. How can they say how much the warming would have been without any fossil fuel emissions and what not? They cannot. Like stated, how many ice ages have there been? We were not around for all of them. weather patterns are dynamic. No two ice ages were exactly alike. So that report can say whatever it wants to. Embarrassing not in the least. The polar caps have ebbed and flowed for Millinia. The planet remains on its own timeline in spite of how over inflated we make our importance to be.
     
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    tsunami231 Ancient Guru

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    yes they can look harder there tons of reports... just people dont like hearing things that dont want know or except.. Humanity has been dumping more Co2 in atmosphere since begin the industry era then in long distance past naturually out side cataclysmic even then the co2 we dump is more in some respects. and it just increasing each year or do we thing all co2 we dump just evaporates in to nothing and has no effect global warming again there tons reports stat co2 is major contributer to heating up the planet.... look at Venus that what happen get out hand.

    add all this extra heat to the storms we are get make them worse specifically hurricane those once in 100 years hurricane have been happen every 5 years if not more lately cause ocean temps have rose again cause that co2 and global warming. just like ice glacier in north and south pole are melt at alarming rates. cause that warming, which gona make said storms worse and flood coastal area.

    No one with brain and common sense can say humanity and all co2 we pumping in to air isnt making thing much worse then, nature can do what we doing out side super vocano or just asteroid pound earth.

    did people not see air pollutant report (just one of many floating around) issues before world shutdown cause covid shutdon? and the afterword? those few week it world was shut down there night and day diffrence in air and that happen every where shutdown happen, you can say all that had isnt Co2 and pollutant is making thing worse or that not accelerating it cause it is, there tons reports stating as such it just ingored.

    but at last tons people and governments special governments companies that can do something about wont cause there money to be had looking other way. if get to tipping point where we can reverse it or even stop we are all screwed, more so later generations.

    either way not worth argue it with people that head in sand denial reqardless if you beeing serious or sarcastic. humanity is the cause of majority of it countless reports state it.

    It almost as people that still say say the earth is flat...
     
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    This is such a weird response.. "at best is their guess" You realize all the same people warning you about global warming are the same people, using the same techniques, that told you there were ice ages before right?.. Like you believe in ice ages, you believe you know how frequent they are and how long they lasted but when they say "hey this isn't normal, the earth hasn't melted ice even close to this fast ever" you stop believing them for some reason lol
     
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    A little bit off topic here but I love your view. Everytime you post its a fresh breeze of new perspective that sobers me up everytime.
     
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    Like a warm breeze, like super warm, like a record setting temperature breeze.
     
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    First part isn't true. Second one has already been covered. Yeah they are hypocrites - globe is still warming so who cares? There's still policy that can be enacted to massively reduce CO2 levels. Hell one of the things we can do is ban people from flying private jets/helicopters.

    lol
     
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    Most people here are focused on the emissions humanity is producing but there is another human activity contributing to climate change, deforestation.

    Not only is humanity polluting the earth but we're also preventing the earth from dealing with these emissions.

    Look at the palm oil industry, it's terrible, ravaging the Indonesian landscape.
     
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    Like said, no two are alike. Our magnetic pole was supposed to flip too or is the process. How much of an effect does that have? There are too many pieces in the puzzle for there to be any single magic bullet. We move from fossil fuel to electric. Where are those waste products placed? what effect will they have. No one knows till we move along those lines. All this crying and doom saying is pointless. Something needs to be done, you do it. If one needs to spend years of their life needing to convince someone of something, what is really being peddled?

    EDIT: Also, like Truder stated, would wager that the deforestation of the planet has had more of a lasting effect than carbon-based emissions.
     
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    The Laughing Ma Ancient Guru

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    So shorts and T-shirt today then?
     
  18. Clouseau

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    Magic 8-ball says yes
     
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    I agree, many pieces to the puzzle. Assuming we have a set of observed warming we need to explain, you could look at, just off the top of my head really, the effects of Carbon Dioxide, Methane, Nitrous oxide, Halogenated gases, Nitrogen oxides, Sulphur dioxide, Organic carbon, ammonia, black carbon, land-use reflected and irrigation and aviation contrails, to name a few.

    What you would probably not look at is a magnetic pole flip that hasn't happened yet
     
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    The simple solution is to raise electricity/natural gas rates so high that people are forced to cut back....and while you're at it raise the price of petrol/gasoline to the highest level in history!

    Them greedy humans messing up our air must be stopped!
     
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