Rumor: Intel Raptor Lake and Sapphire Rapids processors will be available in October

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  1. cucaulay malkin

    cucaulay malkin Ancient Guru

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    Looking forward to 13900k for my next upgrade on the cpu side as i still have a brand new ASRock Z690 Aqua OC that i have not used yet ( saving it for raptor lake ) and some excellent DDR5-6400Mhz Cas 30 ( Motherboard and Ram was a gift from ASRock to me so its a free upgrade ) . At the moment i have been running a 5800X for a long time since they release the cpu almost 2 years ago and ddr4 and it has served me well but it's time to move on to something faster so 13900K it is for me.
     
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    alder lake already performs better with ddr5
    how can it not
    it reaches 7000mhz and costs 3 times as much
     
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    Saw these same kind of arguments in the 5800X3D review. The only place one would currently see any differences in games would be with a 3090 or 3090 Ti. A quick look at Newegg shows the lowest priced 3090 is $1699 USD.

    If we are talking about the CPU with the absolute highest potential in gaming, that is still the 12900K or specifically the 12900KS. Benchmarks using DDR5-6400 vs AMD with DDR4-3800 C14 - the best for each platform - show the 12900KS is the fastest gaming chip on the planet. TPU showed that at DDR5-6000, it's a tie with the 5800X3D.

    If we get into saying that nobody is going to buy DDR5-6400 - maybe someone is living in the past? The DDR5 landscape has already changed. DDR5-6400 is around $400-$450 for 32GB right now on both Amazon and Newegg. DDR4-3600 C14 starts at around $230, and you need to spend upwards of $270 to get 32GB of the good stuff. I should point out, DDR5-6000 is now around $300 for 32GB, and that's where they tie. At that level, the memory costs within $30 of the best for each platform. And for that $30, one would be significantly slower at everything else with the 5800X3D - from web browsing to code compiling.

    So beyond that, if someone is going to spend $1700+ on a 3090, or $2000+ on a 3090 Ti, why wouldn't such a person spend an extra $150ish on memory to get DDR5-6400 and $100 on CPU to get the absolute fastest setup possible? I think it's plainly stupid not to do so. When we are comparing systems with near $2000 GPUs, the "but I wouldn't spend $250 extra to get 5% fps" argument doesn't fly when said consumer already spent an extra $800 to get +10% vs a model down.

    These sites that aren't comparing best to best get into picking and choosing parts that favor one platform or another. If that's what is going on, then these sites are really pointless as far as showing anything meaningful in a cpu comparison. They become nothing more than another voice in a self-reinforcing confirmation bias feedback loop.
     

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    This statement here ... It is wrong on the pricing factor by a lot at least the local market here in Greece the 5800x is bellow 400 long time now . I personally was waiting for the 5700x but the price difference was so small I just went for the bigger number. I am not saying you are lying by the way, all I am pointing out is especially for the pricing from country to county things change and when you argue bad value for a 400+ CPU someone might be arguing it is a good value /option because they can get it at 320 !

    And currently is bellow 300 ! https://www.bestprice.gr/item/21563...qid=9K0xvAKgEDK_ff29d&seq=1&qo=5800x&from=cat

    And the 5700x is less than 10 euros cheaper ... Because ....
    Greek retail market I guess https://www.bestprice.gr/item/21574...=9OCUYIRa7cn_d962d&seq=1&qo=5700x&from=search
     
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    5800X3D is still old Zen 3 with respective IPC. And it was made in little quantities and therefore hugely expensive.
     
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    It has a whole lot more IPC in games, maybe also in some other random applications. The point was that AMD did bring something new to AM4, which could put up a fight against Intel in games. Bringing Zen 4 to AM4 would be like Intel suddenly bringing the Raptor Lake to LGA1200 as well.
     
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    IPC is same all over. Doesn't depend on type of application.
     
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    That's not true. IPC is dependent on application and the entirity of the CPU, because the 5800x3d has more cache, where the cache affects performance, IPC is affected.

    Where the extra cache does not help, the ipc is the same.

    This is why when new architectures are released or alterations were done to CPUs, there is a range of IPC improvements, nothing is static
     
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    Kinda ... Example if the game commands can fit on a non 3d Ryzen 5xxx cache then the ipc will be identical assuming exact same frequency ... Games are memory intensive so having more cache saves a lot of fetching from the memory so is not exaaaactly increase on calculation capabilities but having less waiting for data to become available to start the calculation .kinda shorta .
     

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