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So every year theres a reason to upgrade.

Cores
Threads
Raytracing
RAM

One thing they are good at is marketing.

So, okay . What's the ' future proof" with a ridiculous price of 400$ if we keep hearing about DDR5? How many years till DDR5?

 

There is nothing that is future proof. Normally, the IPC increases are marginal and the core count only matters if you actually make use of the core count.

But here we're talking about a LOT faster RAM coming to the mainstream, with a lot more bandwidth on top of all the other increases.

Remember those AMD fans buying RX 480 8gb because in 3 years time it'll be as good as the Nvidia GPU it's going to be losing to for the first 3 years? Nobody cares man. Buy what is best for you when you're buying. As long as you're not buying something underpowered because in 5 years it might be the king of low end, it's all good.

People raved about the first gen of Ryzen, about how it's going to last for a long time because it has cores. Yawn. They're sub par these days.

 

Sad story of current CPU prices.

Obviously they will hold well, but marketing will do it's job and the new hype train will be "ram sticks".

 

I don't know if you've been there before where you went from a reasonable rig running a decent CPU and RAM. I remember going from Q6600 to 2500k. It wasn't just that the 2500k was so much faster, it also more than doubled my RAM throughput. Similar thing moving from 2500k DDR3 to 7700k DDR4. It all adds up.

 

That's 4 years - each. It's a long time tho...

So let's just say that's "somewhat holding well". Although not really...

I5 2500k? In those days sht was expensive.

I don't know. It's sure is very debatable to spend 400$ for CPU or 240$ when you are not making money out of it.
Eventually you are gonna run out of games to throw charts with and it will be very similar.

Edit: To answer previous dudes arguments, I must write it has never been how the world works when it comes to this "I must buy best CPU" . You must make games to meet gamers PC specs. And most won't buy highest end CPU's.

 

Yeah, 4 years is ok. I had 4 years or so out of my 7700k. Probably 5 years, can't remember now. And it served me so well.

I'm just going to say though, that dropping a lot of money on a 5950x now, or even on it's release date was probably not a smart move, due to all the new things on the horizon.

Generally speaking, I'll happily overlook the IPC increase that happens from generation to generation. But when a whole new RAM bump is involved, it's a different story.

I'm kinda losing track of our conversation. Are you saying there's future proof processors out there?

 

Depends what you mean with words you use. 5 years is decent.
Hopefully that AMD 5800x or 5900x for half 1k will hold for 5 years too.


Sure am starting to contradict myself with some stuff I say.

 

I had a 7700k for about 5 years. When I was buying it, I ignored all the higher core count CPUs because for me, as a gamer, gaming performance was key. I'm now on a 5800x rig. Is it better at gaming than the 5 year old 7700k was? NO. Many reviews were slating the 7700k at the time of it's release as a bad buy. It lasted me over 4 years. Was it "future proof"?

I had to upgrade though because my motherboard died. Either way, I think what I'm trying to say more than anything is that doing a full rig overhaul right now is just pissing money down the toilet.

 

And?

I'm running 7980xe, 5950x and 10900k in the same room....

 

Last gen cpu to use ddr 4, dualchannel memory and few pci-e lanes, and you call it futureproof. "Same performance" as a 4 years old Hedt cpu....

 

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It is all a matter of how someone looks at the word "same performance".
A CPU and platform that uses 5 times as much power, produces 5 times as much heat, costs 3 times as much money to buy and 10 times as much money to run.

I am not saying a 7980XE is bad, but a 5950x is superior in almost every way compared to a 7980XE.

 

The time for revolutionary performance leaps in the CPU market is long past. As long as the bean counters are in charge we'll see the usual generational gains and nothing more than that. But feel free to delude yourselves.

 

7980xe now costs under half the 5950x @ ebay etc...

Do you even think 7980xe uses 5 times the power of 5950x in games? Noob3d.com
PS: My 7980xe @ 4700mhz in Battlefield V is about 70c in multiplayer. 5950x @ 4700mhz is ~80c. Both have one 480 radiator

 

7980XE and 5950x are not gaming CPUes, games still can not figure out what to do with 16 cores, they barely use 8 cores.
So the comparison between the 2 are like this with a 3090 at 1080p:
5950x 8 cores are doing work, the other 8 are sleeping.
7980XE 8 cores doing work, the other 10 are sleeping.
1440p and 4K on lower GPUes just makes the CPU load even lower.

There also must be a huge difference between the fan speeds on those radiators, Hilbert is able to run a 5950x at 70c on a 240 LCS cooler (System power 230W), with frequencies between 4650-5000MHz. (open bench)
Some run stock 5950x with a Noctua at 80c.

My Ryzen1700 at 114W overclock is getting to 63c in a cinebench run (lets just guess 65-67c after 1 hour rendering) at 30 degrees ambient with a Noctua 15, I am pretty sure a half loaded 5950x during gaming is not supposed to be going into the 80es with a 480 radiator.

 

If your 5800X is only as good as your 7700K at gaming, then I feel you have no idea how to set up your 5800X.

Every 5800X and 5900X I've set up has provided a good performacne increase especially in CPU limited/dependant titles than the 7700K. Though I also deal with clients who are gaming more commonly on simulations rather than CoD or Battlefield.

 

No. There's nothing difficult about "setting up" the 5800x. It's a CPU. You drop it in, slap a cooler on it, update BIOS and chipset drivers and you're good to go, pretty much.

My 5800x benches slightly above stock 5800x due to certain BIOS tweaks (curve optimizer, PBO).

Show me where a 5800x gets a good performance increase in games at 4k. I'll be patiently waiting.

 

Next time, say you are playing in GPU bound scenarioes. Or say you are playing in 4k or higher. Then there is little to no reason to bring the topic up, in a "cpu thread"

 

Stop blaming the wrong part for your issues then. Oh and nice to know you don't know much about OC'ing AMD CPU's too. Always great to see someone being loud yet not comprehending the issue in the first place.

 

What issue lol? I have no issues?

 

Yeah, should probably have mentioned that. Didn't mean to trigger that dude though, wtf is up with that?