VESA is a little irritated, listed HDR2000 certification in Asia etail, is not an existing standard

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Apr 20, 2021.

  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

    Messages:
    48,392
    Likes Received:
    18,564
    GPU:
    AMD | NVIDIA
  2. asturur

    asturur Maha Guru

    Messages:
    1,371
    Likes Received:
    503
    GPU:
    Geforce Gtx 1080TI
    Well more than vesa, how pays for actual certification should be irritated.
     
  3. Camaxide

    Camaxide Active Member

    Messages:
    93
    Likes Received:
    35
    GPU:
    MSI 1080 Ti Gaming X SLI
    2000 nits hdr can be a thing even if you dont pay vesa for a badge of approval :) likely amazing monitors.
     
    DeskStar likes this.
  4. Astyanax

    Astyanax Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    17,011
    Likes Received:
    7,353
    GPU:
    GTX 1080ti
    There are HDR2000 Colorimeter's being sold which had to follow a certification program somewhere......
     
    DeskStar likes this.

  5. Undying

    Undying Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    25,341
    Likes Received:
    12,754
    GPU:
    XFX RX6800XT 16GB
    Vesa certification sucks anyway.
     
    mentor07825 and DeskStar like this.
  6. DeskStar

    DeskStar Guest

    Messages:
    1,307
    Likes Received:
    229
    GPU:
    EVGA 3080Ti/3090FTW
    Talk about being pissed when a company beats you of the proverbial punch?!?
     
  7. Mufflore

    Mufflore Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    14,691
    Likes Received:
    2,673
    GPU:
    Aorus 3090 Xtreme
    I'd be irritated with Vesa for not providing the standard!
    Its laughable they state their trademark is misused when they neglected to do their job and provide it.
    HDR xxxx has become the standard nomenclature. You'd think they would want this to remain so?
    Try harder VESA, you're late to your own party.
     
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2021
  8. illrigger

    illrigger Master Guru

    Messages:
    340
    Likes Received:
    120
    GPU:
    Gigabyte RTX 3080
    Peak brightness is like grey-to-grey response times and contrast levels - they might be true under ideal conditions, but they have almost zero actual impact on actual use. In other words, it's all marketing BS - monitor companies lie about this stuff all the time.

    For example, the Samsung Odyssey G7, which is HDR600 certified, could only reach 528 peak nits even when only displaying a 2% window when Rtings tested it. And the Acer X27, which isn't even certified, could reach a much more reasonable 978 nits brightness at 25% display (which is a more real-world example of how HDR is used in games and movies - no more than 25% of the screen needs to be at full brightness for any scene transition, the point where peak brightness is used).

    To be frank, if Samsung is willing to lie about the specs of their monitors when they *are* certified, I really doubt they will be telling the truth about their brightness on their new ones when they are already lying about having a certification that doesn't even exist. And given how crappy their backlight zones were on their last super-ultra-wide, I wouldn't touch these panels at all. HDR without appropriate local dimming looks like garbage at monitor distance.

    FWIW, as someone who uses an OLED TV that can actually hit 1000 nits peak as a monitor, at computer viewing distance 1000 nits is already an eyeball searing level of brightness. I don't really think that going brighter would really make that big of a difference, since you have to tweak everything down in HDR games to avoid washouts even at 1000, but I could be wrong - nobody has seen what a brighter screen can really do. I will say that you should probably look into spending a couple hundred bucks and using Hue Sync to control your room lighting and then getting a less expensive well-reviewed HDR monitor or small 2020 OLED TV, rather than splurging several extra thousand dollars on a crazy bright monitor. You'd be shocked at how much impact ambient room lighting can have on perceived brightness on your screen.
     
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2021
  9. Alessio1989

    Alessio1989 Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    2,941
    Likes Received:
    1,239
    GPU:
    .
    It is irritated since HDR2000 would be such a better name than true black variants.
     
  10. warezme

    warezme Master Guru

    Messages:
    237
    Likes Received:
    37
    GPU:
    Evga 970GTX Classified
    Standards are there for a reason. Imagine if every company had their own version of a display port cable or monitor mounting configuration. It would be like a thousand apple companies gone wild. Heck if your monitor can display HDR2000 than just say capable of HDR2000 but don't state it was VESA tested if it wasn't. That's BS plain and simple.
     

  11. schmidtbag

    schmidtbag Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    7,975
    Likes Received:
    4,342
    GPU:
    Asrock 7700XT
    Why? The whole point is so you know with 100% certainty that you're getting what is legit and actually conforms to a standard. Otherwise, you can just pull an Acer and invent your own standard, or, just make up some bogus claim about HDR like so many cheap displays do. It's not free to do these tests.
     
  12. Airbud

    Airbud Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    2,579
    Likes Received:
    4,083
    GPU:
    XFX RX 5600XT
    universal standards do have a place...especially in plumbing and computer hardware.
     
  13. EspHack

    EspHack Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    2,795
    Likes Received:
    188
    GPU:
    ATI/HD5770/1GB
    most "HDR" claims on LCD are deceptive, specially on monitors
     
  14. Denial

    Denial Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    14,206
    Likes Received:
    4,118
    GPU:
    EVGA RTX 3080
    Well now that Apple is pushing MiniLED hopefully rest of industry will follow suit and we'll actually get decent monitors soon.
     
  15. tsunami231

    tsunami231 Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    14,725
    Likes Received:
    1,854
    GPU:
    EVGA 1070Ti Black
    This so why does it even matter what Vesa thinks? less this about there Name being used

    I mean Most HDR monitor claim are and what they actual do are way off the mark
     
    DeskStar likes this.

  16. PPC

    PPC Master Guru

    Messages:
    359
    Likes Received:
    191
    GPU:
    3070
    Their brand is being used unauthorized and for a standard that they do not currently have, ofc they will be pissed, that their whole business, trademarking.

    They are "non profit" but they have facilities, staff, bills... they are getting paid, livelihoods are still at stake.
     
  17. DeskStar

    DeskStar Guest

    Messages:
    1,307
    Likes Received:
    229
    GPU:
    EVGA 3080Ti/3090FTW
    Last panels were MICRO-LED? With two thousand plus zones of active backlighting?

    This monitor is the shite even if it hits 1.5k NITS.

    And that blooming/bleeding will be none existent on these monitors in comparison to my Viotek 5120x1440. And that monitor damn near has none.

    Why all the hate on this monitor from so many people.

    Is it not them saying "vesa" standard like saying they're "number one" in the industry??

    It's more of a statement than a fact.

    But yeah.... "Several extra thousands of dollars" would mean one had bought a couple of these monitors over a 55" oled. Last I checked a great oled today costs $1.5k for the newest HDMI 2.1 standard on an evo panel attaining the brightness you speak of.

    Again even if this monitor hits 1.5k Nits that's insane! And the way "EVERYTHING" is tested for brightness is on a "percentage" of the window guy. So everyone is lying about their overall screen brightness.

    People need to stop their opinions from running away and becoming facts.
     
    Last edited: Apr 21, 2021
  18. illrigger

    illrigger Master Guru

    Messages:
    340
    Likes Received:
    120
    GPU:
    Gigabyte RTX 3080
    MiniLED is mostly marketing BS as well. The only real benefit you get from it is a more uniform backlight, since there's no drop in brightness the further from the screen edge like on edge-lit displays. Even increased brightness isn't guaranteed when using the tech, a company could source cheap LEDs or power delivery and end up with a dimmer screen than a good edge-lit LED backlight can provide. Even if they do everything right and get a super bright Mini LED backlight, if they slap a crap TN LCD panel over the top of it you will end up with muddy blacks and washed out colors, just like if you used it on an edge-lit backlight.

    It *could* be used to improve FALD as well, but the tech itself is just a dense field of white LED backlights without any local dimming - adding FALD capabilities isn't a part of the tech, it's an add-on that would require extra expenditure from manufacturers. FALD in general has its own set of issues regarding synchronizing the backlight to the panel on high-refresh displays, so even that tech is a toss-up.

    There's no magic bullet right now for high refresh HDR monitors. Until MicroLED emerges as a useful tech, there are trade-offs no matter what you try, so don't fall for any of the marketing about these things. Wait for reviews and make an informed decision rather than getting overly excited about stuff that will never measure up to the hype.
     

Share This Page