AMD Big Navi would get Infinity Cache

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  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

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  2. Ryu5uzaku

    Ryu5uzaku Ancient Guru

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    Interesting
     
  3. Mpampis

    Mpampis Master Guru

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    Tried to find how much more expensive faster GDDR6X memory is than the one AMD is expected to use.
    Didn't have luck with that.
    I wonder if it's just a price reduction technology, or a game changer.
     
  4. Kaarme

    Kaarme Ancient Guru

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    Isn't HBCC just to help with too little VRAM? The problem with the 6000 series, if the rumours (or leaks, like some like to call them) are true, the GPUs might be memory bandwidth starved, not memory amount starved, like some say the 3080, for example, is. But sure, the lesser models of the AMD 6000 ought to have less VRAM, so it might be relevant if it works.

    However, if this Infinity Cache is to help with the bandwidth issue and is real cache, I wonder where it's physically located.
     

  5. cucaulay malkin

    cucaulay malkin Ancient Guru

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    they have to compete with 16gbps 256-bit against 19gbps 320-bit
    I bet this will be hit&miss,can't make up for 1.53x bandwidth advantage

    for competing with a 3070 this may show,at least to some extent at 4K.unless this is hbcc rebranded.

    gddr6x is nvidia+micron collaboration,amd will never get this.
     
  6. cryohellinc

    cryohellinc Ancient Guru

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    New challenge - Install Doom onto GPU Cache.
     
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    Didn't know about the collab part, but it must be expensive too (and hot). AMD has to work with what its available.
    256-bit is to make it more affordable and competitive, I hope it's enough to not starve the card.
     
  8. Undying

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    So the rumors are true. We'll see how much cache will actually be there.
     
  9. JiveTurkey

    JiveTurkey Member Guru

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    I assumed this Infinity cache is AMD answer to RTX IO.
     
  10. Fediuld

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    Nope.
    How much you bet to send you an invoice through PP to pay me.
     
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  11. rl66

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    3 exemples that is not an exact logic:
    AMD: Vega VII vs traditional other "high end" AMD...
    NVidia: the GTX 960/950 with low gbps and bit, compensate by compression that perform better better than what expected...
    General computer more AMD but it work with Intel too: it's better to have low CL ram than faster frequency in most of the case

    A GPU depend more on the whole pack (drivers + GPU + board + technologic used) than focus on spec.
    It's a bit like race car, i have been in front of many horses (running or prancing) despite having lot less HP and top speed... (but i was way lot lighter, and with smaller tire 14" or 15")

    So, as the RTX30*0 before, we have to see it in real world before to say if AMD have made good choise or not.
     
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    HBM was developed by AMD and Hynix, yet Nvidia also uses it in some professional products. Wouldn't GDDR6X be the same?
     
  13. Fediuld

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    Yep. AMD has CDNA now for the compute cards as it split out compute and gaming RDNA.
    Arcturus (CDNA) is a big evolution over Vega (GCN), while RDNA2 is new architecture, remotely related to RDNA1 in name.
    And next year RDNA3 is even more drastic ground up designed architecture.
     
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    yes,except your expamples don't reflect the scope of this here situation,amd absolutley need that bandwidth,that's why they're introducing this cache - they're lacking bandwidth.
     
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    i wonder how 3080 has underwhelming performance.
     

  16. cucaulay malkin

    cucaulay malkin Ancient Guru

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    it's lower power than gddr6 regular,almost hbm2 level

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    RTX IO is just nvidia branding for their implementation of DirectStorage
     
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    cooperation does not mean exclusivity
     
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    Not another hardware-closed API please... Waiting for DirectStorage, although with 32-64GB RAM system it will not be such huge improvement and I bet in 10 years those APIs will be completely abandoned...
     
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    Hbm2e really needs to find its way to gaming gpus. Amd make that happen already.
     

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