New Upcoming ATI/AMD GPU's Thread: Leaks, Hopes & Aftermarket GPU's

Discussion in 'Videocards - AMD Radeon' started by OnnA, Jul 9, 2016.

  1. Undying

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    Clocks are very low. It wont even beat 2080ti let alone Ampere cards.
     
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    This chip has no 3d raster engines, it's headless and can't be used for gaming, also this is of the same architecture of Vega with heavy modifications (speculation from bios info) I coined it as GCN 6.0 (Unofficial). Gaming cards will be Navi.
     
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  3. OnnA

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    Khronos will discuss "standardised ray tracing" at GDC - AMD and Nvidia will be there

    To date, only one retail game has delivered raytracing support through the Vulkan API, Wolfenstein Youngblood.
    If you want to include more games in this list, you'll need to include Vulkan-based projects like Quake II RTX and other non-retail releases.

    As it stands, the Vulkan API lacks support for raytracing. Yes, Nvidia has released RTX specific extensions for Vulkan raytracing, but this support is hardware exclusive and lacks the multi-platform/multi-vendor raytracing support that Microsoft's DXR (DirectX Raytracing) delivers.

    At GDC 2020, the Khronos Group plans to discuss "Ray Tracing in Vulkan" with engineers from both AMD and Nvidia.
    That's right AMD and Nvidia, standardised ray tracing support will require support for multiple hardware vendors, and AMD's Radeon Technologies Group has plans to enter the ray tracing arena soon.

    Sadly, we do not know what form Khronos' ray tracing implementation will take. Still, given Khronos' recent moves with Vulkan 1.2, we guess that Vulkan will closely align with Microsoft and its DXR implementation.
    Vulkan 1.2 already supports HLSL (DirectX's Shading Language) with support for up to Shader Model 6.2.
    Support for Shader Model 6.3 will bring with it support for DXR HLSL code, and this code should be usable with Vulkan's planned raytracing implementation.

    Why align so closely with Microsoft? The simple answer is that multi-platform game releases will likely come to Microsoft's next-generation console, the Xbox Series X, and with that comes the need to utilise DirectX 12.
    Aligning with Microsoft with regards to raytracing will make it easier for developers to utilise their existing code with Vulkan, or create new code which will function in both DirectX 12 and Vulkan.

    At this time, it is unknown when official ray tracing support will come to Vulkan, though we should expect to bear more at GDC.

    THX -> https://www.overclock3d.net/news/so...acing_at_gdc_-_amd_and_nvidia_will_be_there/1
     
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    Khronos already decided they are going with nvidia's vkraytracing - it's being adapted for AMD.
     
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  5. OnnA

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    Good, they need work together for Us :p
     
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    There is an issue with this, hardware RT is not the way. It needs to be software implemented and work with all the the hardware available. CPU GPU and RAM, only having a gpu that is RT capable is a side step.
     
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    Why? Why would I use the CPU which has no dedicated BVH functional units, along with the transfer penalty? It's just straight slower in every way, there is no performance advantage, significantly increases stall chances, increases development complexity.. makes no sense.
     
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    One way or the other ATI GPU (will likely) have it by Compute Engine aka ACEs.
    It's logical, in the end RT is just an compute.
     
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    Because with 32 cores you can ray trace like a fiend :D
     
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    New AMD Listings in Korean RRA Certification Point to Impending Graphics Cards Release - Big Navi?

    The Korean RRA has listed AMD graphics cards for certification this month which may well point towards an actual announcement coming from AMD during the next month.
    The company has already confirmed they will be discussing RDNA2 graphics cards come their next Financial Analyst Day, set for March 5th. The new entries, D32310 and D30201, have been listed on February 03 and February 19, respectively.
    This is relevant for a March announcement - even if just a paper one - of the new RDNA2 GPUs because historically, it seems that AMD has registered impending releases with the Korean RRA roughly one month prior to actual product releases.

    As you can see in the listing, AMD registered two graphics cards in June 2019 (D16302 and D18206 - and one month later, in July, the company released Navi-based RX 5700 XT and RX 5700.
    AMD also registered the RX 5600 XT model number, D32501, on December 3, 2019 with a release one month later on January 21, 2020. AMD similarly registered model number D18902 on November 27, 2019 - and AMD released the 5500 XT on December 12, less than a month later.
    There seems to be a pattern here.
    If you're wondering why the model number for these new February registrations is lower than that of the RX 5600 XT (D32501 against the newer, yet lower D32310 and D30201),
    it could have something to do with the fact that AMD decided to carve out the RX 5600 XT SKU later than they knew they'd be releasing Big Navi - as an attempt to curtail NVIDIA in the GTX 1660 Ti and GTX 1660 Super battlefield.

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    I really hope it is. Me wants big Navi.
     
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    ATI wanna disrupt 4k gaming = Good performance at sub 700€ price tag ;)
    In another words, 3080Ti level of performance but very affordable.

    nV will have another behemoth GPU but in 7nm = expensive & max 30% performance uplift compared to 2080Ti
    We can see 460-540mm2 chips to maintain performance.

    We shall know what is what in summer... I do not believe in 70% uplift for Ampere (maby in RT).
    2000€ for 3080Ti will disrupt every wallet :D

    We can see fight in GPU market as well, like Ryzen in CPU space....
     
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    I certainly hope so, I really do.
     
  14. OnnA

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    Im too :p

    Because of Price hiking, more than anything -> all of Us know how tough is to make Price points stright again.

    ATI/AMD - Makes price points great again :D
     
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    580 vs 1060 in 2020

     
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    Update February 26th, 7:53 -
    The SK Hynix team has contacted us indeed verifying our expectations, as well the technical configuration did not make much sense. The photo is not a real one.:

    Seoul, February 26, 2020

    Regarding recent fake news about SK hynix’s memory specifications and info sheet on AMD’s next generation GPU, on which some media have reported since February 24 (PST), SK hynix hereby announces that the company has not created and distributed such specifications as well as the document asserted to be leaked by an internal source.

    5950XT :p
    Hmm, i like it... but it's FAKE lol

    3x8GB or 4x6GB or 2x12GB ;)

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    AMD's Big Navi 'Radeon RX' Enthusiast GPU Alleged Specifications
    Coming to the juicy bits, the specifications leaked in a document specifically sourced back to SK Hynix. We can't say how much legitimate this document is but it looks pretty credible at first sight and the specifications do seem plausible. The document mentions the specific GPU config with its codename 'D32310/15'. There's no way to tell whether this is Navi or something else but I will get to that in a bit. The first question that arises is how do we know that this is indeed an AMD GPU?

    If you go by our recent report, an AMD GPU with a similar codename just passed RRA certification this month. Based on the evidence my colleague had collected, it sure does look like a new flagship Navi GPU and one that might end up being faster than all of AMD's Radeon RX gaming graphics cards released to date.

    Surprisingly, the document lists the complete GPU and memory configurations. For the GPU itself, we are looking at 5120 stream processors packed in 80 Compute Units. The GPU consists of a total of 320 TMUs and 96 ROPs. The L2 cache size on the chip also sits at a mammoth 12 MB. That's 2x the cache of NVIDIA's flagship Tesla V100 GPU and Titan RTX. It's also 3x the cache size over AMD's own Radeon RX 5700 XT which is based on the Navi 10 GPU. There are no clock speeds mentioned for this part but the memory configuration is listed.

    In terms of memory, we are looking at 24 GB of high-performance HBM2e. The GPU would feature a 4096-bit bus interface and reportedly up to 2 Terabytes per second worth of bandwidth. The new HBM2e standard was unveiled a while back with both SK Hynix and Samsung accelerating production this year since we are expecting the arrival of new HPC parts from both NVIDIA and AMD. Interestingly, if this leak holds any truth to it, then it looks like AMD is going back to HBM2 design on its flagship gaming graphics cards.
     
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    He doesn't take into account that not all cards can be undervolted and run stable. He really does just ramble sometimes.
     
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