The AMD Ryzen All In One Thread /Overclocking/Memory Speeds & Timings/Tweaking/Cooling Part 2

Guys a question about CPU temperature.
Coming back to AMD after many years of Intel and today I've put together 3600x, Asrock B450 Pro4, HyperX Predator Black 16GB DDR4 3200MHz CL16 and Noctua NH-D15. Windows 10 November, updated, latest AMD chipset drivers.

But I'm puzzled about CPU temperatures. Just writing here in forums and it's jumping from 43-61°C.


Playing a game and hits 78°C.
Running 5 minutes prime95 Small FFts hitting 84°C.

Cooler is fine. I've even dismounted and mount it again. Basically no difference. And fins are mildly hot so it's doing his job I guess. I even run 1usmus Custom Power Plan but same temps.

So I want to know if it's something wrong or those are usual temps for Ryzen on air cooling.

Thanks.

 

It all depends on the games one plays. There were examples in the video that running at 1T incurred a reduction in fps. Basing opinion using my auditing attitude, 5% difference and above being a material difference requiring an explanation for the difference and anything below 5% not being considered material. 1080p still shows a material gain overall with only one or two exceptions. 1440p was a mixed bag. 2160p made no material difference what so ever. So currently it depends on what resolution one plays at and what games are played to determine if the extra monies above 3200 CL14 is worth it. The more GPU bound the situation becomes, all the factors relating to cpu performance start to become moot gaming wise. Still decent information that corroborates all the other ram frequency comparison pieces.

 

Do not know what games drive the temp up as high as 78C. Have the same cooler with two fans on a 3800X and my temps jump around like yours. Except that the highest I have seen is 70C and that was only on Borderlands 3. All other games have not seen above 63C. All that is characteristic for when I am running the ASUS bios option Performance Enhancer at level 3. When that option is set to level 2, I see nothing above 63C.

EDIT: Then again, I have never run Prime95 on this cpu this time around. Have felt that the cpu does a good enough job policing itself. I have played with negative cpu voltage offsets only to in the end leave that voltage setting on auto. My SOC voltage is set with a -0.1875 offset which results in the voltage ranging from 1.05 to 1.056 according to HWiNFO.

 

My 3700x with the stock Wraith Prism hit around 70c(very rare) at most while gaming and idles in the mid 20s.

 

3800 with tweaked timings seems to be sweet spot. Glad I was able to get there.

 

Had a weird nuclear meltdown of my Samsung EVO NVME Forza Horizon 4 crashed then broke all of my windows apps went to reinstall windows and it would not take the install. I suspect the board isn't liking the NVME. After flashing my BIOS to a few different versions I finally got one to take windows on it. I'm going ahead and upgrading to an X570 as I wanted the ABBA BIOS. I think it will be better over all for my memory too.

 

Man you get hit hard with messed up stuff,I am not trying to be one of those guys but I am running
1x NVME Windows 10 1903 Build 19030.1,of course several different Windows Builds over the last 6 months also
1x M.2
2x SSD and changed/flashed BIOS no less than 50+ times,just lucky on my part I guess.I would be interested if there is a difference for you going to X570

 

Yeah it's been one weird thing after another that I was hoping would be cured by BIOS updates I'm not really sure what's the issue. I've never once had any real problem once they got off the launch BIOS(aside from memory but it's not on the QVL). I thought everything was good but I guess it's not. When it's running it's all good though. I have the NVME slot filled and the second M.2 that only runs SATA filled.

 

Yeah, I've been having high temps on my 3800X.
Its stable, but Watercooled, i'm idling high, and it still hits 76°C peak encoding, and hovers at 71°C otherwise (4.2GHz all-core).
Idle is about 36°C, which is 10°C higher than my Vega64, which is next in the loop.
I've tried two EK waterblocks so far.
Still thinking of getting a third, but not from EK this time.

I wonder whether it could just be an imperfect solder between the heatspreader and the chiplet on the CPU package. Like a bubble or something.

 

Recently got a fire sale Ryzen 7 2700 and managed to get 4GHz all-core overclock by increasing voltages to 1.33v. There's still a fair bit of voltage headroom there, but reaching a stable 4.1GHz requires going north of 1.37v, which is a huge jump for very little gain. Would it be fair to say that I've hit the ceiling, without going to extreme measures?

 

That is a good CPU and by now must have good silicone ,I say you should be able to get at least 4250Mhz . May depend on motherboard and cooling but yeah it should run higher than 4000Mhz.

Maybe list what your tried already,someone will try to help but a higher clock is not going to be a big difference in gaming but you will get higher Cinebench scores ,which I still do not get why people judge there Ryzen CPU on Cinebench score.

 

What is the maximum voltage I can safely increase to? I've had a few bad experiences there so I am being careful.

 

IMO it's the 'nature' of 7nm Zen2
I have Idle at ~34-37deg. also.
When Playing games at 4.3GHz 1.33v (4xCCX) it not reach 69deg.
on 4.2GHz at 1.21v it's at ~60deg. (When in BFV Multi).
So it's fine by my book.

Note:
33-40% Fan on AIO -> Yes it's quiet.

 

Default voltage is the most safe voltage.No one can tell you what a safe voltage really is but they can recommend voltages that they read on the internet of what's safe.Every CPU is different and I would trust the AMD engineers over anyone on the internet.

Now I can tell you I have had Intel machines over recommended voltage for almost 10 years and the CPU works fine and so will AMD CPU.Can either one fail/degrade, yes of course they can.So pick a voltage and a CPU clock and try it out and see if it works.

You do not need higher CPU clocks than what you have now,you just want higher CPU clocks and 2700 out of the box has a boost clock of 4100Mhz.

You did not list what you tried ,or your gear so you can try stuff like I did on 2600X and see if you get the results you want.


AMD 2600X 4300 Mhz Stability Encode Test with new X470 BIOS-Set CPU Ratio in BIOS ,everything else auto and let CPU adjust voltages for you

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2600X All Core Overclock Blender BMW Render-Fixed CPU voltage and CPU Ratio

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AMD RYZEN 5 2600X 6-Core undervolt CPU 1.300 mV best results XFR/Boost 4250 Mhz-BIOS all auto except CPU voltage 1.3v and let CPU do it's thing

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2600X 1.175mv 4000Mhz-CPU ratio 40 and CPU voltage 1.175v

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Ryzen 2600X 4400Mhz Default BIOS Voltage-All voltage shown with CPU ratio change

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How To Overclock 2600X-With all setting in MSI BIOS shown and download for all setting

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hetBlcM8Ak4&t=1s

2600X GTA 5 Mods Messing Around-3 hour stream average clocks say 4200Mhz just letting the CPU do it's thing with fixed voltage in BIOS

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHjXtA4hBOs&t=0s

 

Memory guys-go spend some cash
4x4GB vs. 2x8GB, Intel & AMD Dual-Channel Gaming Benchmark

 

Tweak settings. Most I can get out of this 3700X without OCing.

 

Replaced my Corsair H150i with a Noctua NH-D15. Pump was starting to make a weird noise and I wanted to get more airflow over the VRM's and memory. Replaced the case fans that came with my Fractal Design R6.

Before / After temps using AIDA64 stress test:
CPU (Tctl/tdie) - 88.5C / 80.3C
CPU Die (Average) - 81.2C / 77.5C
CCD1 - 89C / 80.3
CCD2 - 83.3C - 80.8C
Motherboard - 44C / 38C
CPU - 88.9C / 80.4C
VRM - 54C / 45C
Voltage Regulator Loop 1 - 61C / 51C
Voltage Regulator Loop 2 - 54C / 48C
DIM 0 - 50.5C / 42C
DIM 1 - 48.8C / 41.8C
NVME SSD (Idle) 41C / 35C
2080 Ti - 67C / 62C

 

I didn’t realize that cooler was that large

 

Testing some FCLK overclock for stability.For anyone interested.

DDR4 CL16 3866Mhz Single Rank RAM
1933Mhz Fabric clock (FCLK)
1933Mhz Memory Controller(UCLK=MEMCLK)

Tested for about 3 hours ,best I seen on latency was 60.6ns/60.7ns but consistent readings was 61ns on latency.

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♦ CPU - AMD 3800X With MasterLiquid Lite ML240L RGB AIO
♦ GPU - Nvidia RTX 2080
♦ RAM - G.Skill Trident Z 16GB DDR4(F4-4000C18D-16GTZ) (2x8)
♦ Mobo - MSI X470 - Gaming Plus(E7B79AMS.AA0-AMD ComboPI1.0.0.4b)
♦ SSD - NVME SSD Intel 512GB
♦ DSP - LG 27" 4K UHD 5ms GTG IPS LED FreeSync Gaming Monitor (27UD59P-B.AUS) - Black
♦ PSU - Antec High Current Pro 1200W

 

Nice numbers and latency, cool.