Upgrade from 7700k

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  1. interceptor

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    Hello everybody.

    I thought to keep my 7700k for at leastt 4 years when I bought it (Jan 2k17) But now it's not enough, especially as I have 144hz monitor.

    On top of that I stream while gaming (as a hobby) so it also push my cpu to the limits.

    My current setup is

    7700k(delided)@4.8Ghz MSI Z270 Tomahawk, 16GB Ram G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 CL16

    Not sure how much I can get for it, maybe around 300GBP or more (cpu,mobo no warranty, ram not sure, don't have boxes etc)

    As a cooler I use NH-D15

    So what I picked so far and need a bit of advice:

    https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/DominixTV/saved/VF827P

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    https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/DominixTV/saved/xcTgJx
    (im checking different mem option)

    PC is used mainly for gaming, and now streaming as well (I use my RTX2080Ti for it, not cpu)

    Thought about 3900x but price is insane now so not really an option.

    For AMD option, I thought about picking 3700x which is slower in gaming expecially for 144+fps (1080p) than 9900k but maybe next cpu Zen 3 will be better and than just swap 3700x with 4xxx?

    Ram, 16gb for sure, speeds, picked 4000mhz but maybe something a bit slower/faster for a good price? to get most of the cpu in gaming.
    Something like here maybe: what looks very promising for ryzen and something i would like to achive in terms of fps.

    What I play? Mostly shooters, BF V, CoD MW (soon) PUBG, F1 2k19, Forza 4, Diablo 3, WoW, maybe something else will see.

    I care more about having stable 144++ fps than nice looking graphics, that's why when I play any multiplayer games i set most of the stuff to low/off also to give a headroom for my gpu while streaming, so CPU have to handle it well and keep this fps.

    Price? Around 700-900 GBP? but it will cost less as I want to sell my current setup first and than buy new one.
     
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    Hello.
    Well I'm streaming with one PC(im using GPU for it not CPU) and it's ok, as I said, it's a hobby so far, no dual pc setup yet(maybe next year), one is ok, just need to upgrade my CPU as it started to struggle in some games like bf, new cod etc.
    So so far, focus only on getting new CPU for games to maitain 144+fps, in a process it will also help with streaming as well.
    Just need a bit of help to decide what will be better, 3700x and maybe next year replace it to 4XXXx, or go with 9900k, and which mem to pick for both of them and also a good "high-end" mobo to make sure everything works good.
     
  4. sverek

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    Zen2 and Zen3 will probably be on different chipset, so you will have to buy a new motherboard when upgrading from AMD 3700x.

    I think Intel 9900K is better pick here, since you are trying to achieve 144fps. However, price might be an issue.
     

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    You really can't wait another year? Zen3 looks promising especially for streaming with its double threads per core. Or at least wait to see how intels 10xxx cpus will be.

    If you really can't wait then i'd suggest going with 9900k if you REALLY want to get near 144 fps.
     
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    Prefer to wait!
     
  7. cryohellinc

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    You don't need an upgrade.
     
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    The real big brain comment.
     
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    This.
     
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  10. interceptor

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    hard to agree, 4c/8t is not enough these days for high refresh monitors, and it wont change in a future.
    If I see in BFV, CoD MW, Gears5 etc my cpu usage baunce between 90-100% and struggle to keep 144+ fps, even drops under 100, I know that it's time to change.
    I wouldn't think of a change if I was a 4k "casual" gamer, but i'm mostly 1080p 144++ fps multiplayer gamer, where i prefer high fps over cute looking graphics ;)
    Wait another year? no, because after that year, somebody will say, but hey, can't you wait another year for zen4 and so on?...
    Zen 3 for sure will be on different chipset, problem would be if AMD decide to change a "socket" but as we can see here: https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-3000-series-and-x570-chipset-compatibility-quick-guide/
    X470 is compatible with zen 3, so probably or most likely x570 will be with zen3.
    So If I decide to pick AMD now, which mobo+mem to get most and to be enough for zen3,
    It would be a problem if I pick cheap mobo and 2666 ram, but I want something much better. With AMD option I can spend a bit more on Mobo+ram as cpu is cheaper than 9900k
    Also what I'm asking is to get some help to pick good mobo and ram for both CPU.
    Thanks in advance.
     

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    Well it depends on what you want to with your system at the end of the day and what games you are playing. Some users can get by with 4c/8t cpus. Since you live stream the extra cores and threads is a huge help.
     
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    I think Intel 9900K is better pick, since you are trying to achieve 144fps. However, it's expensive.
     
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    well i said already what i play, at what res and what fps, thats why 4c/8t is not enough for it atm. for 4k 60fps or 1080/1440p 60fps, probably yes, anything beyond this, no.
     
  14. sverek

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    Intel 9900KS is coming soon with 5GHz on all cores. This might be a good option as well, and hopefully it will lower 9900K prices. So more options.
     
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    You don't need an upgrade.
     

  16. With the advent of the RTX series NVIDIA introduced dedicated elements to these cards including an onboard gpu specifically for streaming - granted use of NVENC is req as I understand
    see the below articles for more info - basically an RTX rig can perform on par with a dual pc setup for capture. (testing linked below)
    https://gamingtrend.com/news/nvidia-unveils-new-rtx-powered-streaming-tech/
    https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/guides/broadcasting-guide/
    https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/geforce-rtx-streaming/

    Concerning the nature of 144+ fps at 1080p gaming - I'd assume we'd want to go off of the known-best performer multi-core-cpu at minimum fps, (not just highest fps) that is able to achieve those results. - basically least lowest fps & most maximum fps

    Best known performer - 9900K (far as highest lows & also highest maximum frames at 1080p) - on avg
    Near identical on avg - 9700K

    Granted there's no Hyperthreading anymore with the i7s; currently HT's been known to be less effective on current games, this may change in the future. I can't tell how much your rig would benefit from more threads. I'd need more info than what you've given. If just Gaming/Streaming - this is enough as of currently. The RTX is basically a gaming & capture card in one. (Aside from NVIDIA NVENC OBS the flexibility with USB-C etc)

    The 3700X - 3900X wouldn't be a good choice for 144+/1080p and you're welcome to see the results. Plenty of reviews show the lows combined with the highs and averages. There is a disparity between them and the aforementioned Intel chips as of currently far as minimum frames and highest. You'd lose that 144fps target in more games than you'd achieve it (at 1080p) let me be clear; this is at 1080p (as you specified).

    Some sources - just a handful but enough to demonstrate
    https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/intel_core_i9_9900k_processor_review,1.html
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/13400/intel-9th-gen-core-i9-9900k-i7-9700k-i5-9600k-review
    https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-3800x-review,6226.html
    https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_ryzen_7_3800x_review,1.html

    This is a wise and sensible suggestion @interceptor if you don't mind waiting until later this month - and shelling out $70 more for the KS over the K - I'd add two caveats; you can overclock a K. Second, if you don't utilize your machine above the extent to which you've mentioned thus far, money would be better spent on a 9700K.
     
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    Irrelevant. Because you didn't read what I have posted. It depends on what the user is doing with their PC on whether or not they need an upgrade.
     
  18. interceptor

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    Hello.
    Thx for many replays.
    Also please save ur time saying that I don't need and upgrade as I need it, its just about what, 9900k/kf/ks or 3700x/3900x and most important, what mobo+ram for both of them.
    9700k is not an option, its ok for games but just for it, its not like I play a game and there is nothing in background. I stream, browse net/watch yt/twitch etc at the same time so 8c/8t is a no no for me.
    I've watched few tests with it and cpu usage goes to 100%.
    So its all about those two/three cpus
    The thing with 9900k is that its 150GBP more, not sure is perf gain is worth that much
    Whats is for AMD, if I take 3700x with decent mobo+mem and zen3 will close the gap to 9900k or maybe beat it, it will be a matter of just selling 3700x and buy 4700x or whatever will be available then, instead of changing mobo as well as what will be with intel. Money loss will be even smaller with amd.
    thats option for intel atm: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/DominixTV/saved/VF827P
    Maybe I can pick a bit cheaper mobo like z390 gigabyte aorous ultra, keep same mem or maybe pick something different what works better for 9900k?
    For amd: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/DominixTV/saved/xcTgJx
    Going with 9900ks will probably increase this price difference even more so not sure about it, unless 9900k/kf will go down to 400GBP or less.
     
  19. Well, you have some good advice up there. I'd go over it. All of it. Sources and all. Try to keep an open mind. Even if people disagree with you. Sometimes we're not always right. After all, you came here asking for advice and while I may have sided on recommended some upgrades they say "beggars can't be choosers" for a reason.
     

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