The AMD Ryzen All In One Thread /Overclocking/Memory Speeds & Timings/Tweaking/Cooling Part 2

Discussion in 'Processors and motherboards AMD' started by vbetts, Sep 24, 2018.

  1. Kool64

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    Oh this is very good news.
     
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    It only requires recalculating of tRFC values for memories. And may cause SATA to corrupt data. (Not sure about NVMe.)
     
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    I have been looking everywhere for a review of this chip. I can't find any.
    I think it will be the Ryzen 3xxx performance winner - gaming wise.
     
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    If you're just doing gaming I don't see how the extra cost makes up for the tiny performance over a 3600(x). If you do productivity stuff on the side that's another story of course.
     
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    indeed it will once you reach 103. 101-102 is pretty safe for squeezing out a bit of extra performance with out a huge risk.
     
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    I am interested in what extra performance your talking about.There is no performance to be gained in games.So just everyday things,can you list a couple.
    I would certainly run my FSB at higher levels if I thought there were gains no problem at all.In all my testing I have not found a difference at all as in gaming.

    I can say these Ryzen 3000 chips can be hot.Either AMD overclocking which controls the heat or straight up Motherboard all core overclocking even at voltages as low as CPU 1.06v I still see 80C. Going to re-seat cooler for a third time and test again.
     
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    Raising your BCLK raises the amount gained when the CPU multiplier is increased for instance:

    100x43=4300
    102x43=4386


    Now going any higher is a bad idea but a MHz or two should have no impact on PCIe or Sata.

    With the extra IPC we gain per MHz increase with the 3000 series a smaller boost in core clock has a bigger impact vs Zen and Zen+.

    One thing to note is that it will run pretty much every aspect of the computer slightly faster than its stock speed. This includes memory and the PCIe and Sata buses.
     
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    I know how it works,there are no gains in what I am interested in.Just gaimg,I have tested and ran FSB and it is a bad idea. Thats all.

    Well how about a Motherboard all core overclock with offset voltage -0.0500 when all cores kick in CPU voltage around 1.06v.
    Still hit 80c Intel Burn Test,tested Cinbench and memory CL16 3600Mhz.


    Ryzen 5 3600X All Core 4300Mhz Ryzen Master CPU Voltage 1.3v when all cores kick in.
    Still hit 80c Intel Burn Test,tested Cinbench and memory CL16 3600Mhz.
     
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    Aww that’s very sporting of them
     

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    It is a good trick. Acknowledge product that is not competing with you while making look product that is competing with yours look bad.
    (They did no harm to themselves by saying that CPU is good. And their word suddenly look more objective. But AMD launched CPUs and GPUs on same time.)
     
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    I have an issue wich i don't know if it's related to RAM or PSU. Sinds i got the 3600 i'm able to use my memory at 3200mhz with XMP enable. But now my PC randomly reboots during gaming and stress testing.
    Looking through google this could also be an issue with the power supply, i have a brand new one from Cooler Master, MWE 550W 80+ Bronze. But tbh my setup barely uses 400W considering i have nothing overclocked.

    I haven't actually lowered my RAM speed or set it back to default (2133mhz) to test this but i will now, but thought i'd ask here to what others think of this.

    My RAM is from G.Skill, F4-3200C16-4GVKB.
    CPU-Z shot: http://prntscr.com/oeg4vf

    EDIT: I just ran Microsoft's Memory Diagnostics and came out with no issues/errors.
     
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    550W is not enough. Components have current spikes over time. My 2700X while in average adheres to target power limit of 105W, has other limit that is current. And that goes to up to 146A at tiny fraction of second. Capacitors on MB may or may not deal with it in case PSU is not strong enough. But this power draw goes via VRMs which have certain power losses depending on their quality and how close that is to their limit. (Resulting heat from better or worse operational efficiency is additional power draw.)
    Similar behavior happens with graphics cards.

    I have not seen power draw from oscilloscope for 5700, but all cards have that to some degree. Some flatter some are spiking a lot.
    Try to set lower power limit to graphics, maybe -25%. And see if reboots go away.
     
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    Just started Testing Memory last night,temperatures do seem high in idle but I seen in the 20c Idle so they are controllable anyway before I started this test on memory overclocking fabric clock and memory clock idle temperatures was in the 30's idle.
    My oh my the memory can overclock not that it makes a lick of difference in high resolution gaming but fun anyway.

    Msi X470 gaming Plus Motherboard + G.Skill Trident Z 16GB DDR4(F4-4000C18D-16GTZ)
    https://i.**********/hj74G9Sd/Desktop-Screenshot-2019-07-13-05-03-51-18.png
     
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    Seems to be related to my RAM after all, i lowered my OC to 3000mhz and it hasn't happened yet.
     
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    Interesting, that never causer reboot in my case. Usually application crashes or in severe cases BSODs. But before BSODs, memtest is able to detect errors.

    Maybe Zen2 with that I/O die behaves differently.
     
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    When my memory on my 1600X is set wrong I get all kinds of weird things happening. Reboots BSODs usb devices stop working and of course crashes out the wazoo. Have to run my memory at 2933 to make sure none of that happens. Hopefully it's better when I finally receive my 3700X
     
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    The only Ryzen 3xxx available here in Denmark is 3700X and 3600X all the others are listed as on their way.
    The time frame is ranging from July 15 2019 to August first 2019. Really annoying, but that's the way it is.
     

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