Even the cheaper X570 motherboards will get a steeper price says MSI CEO

Just LOL @ you.

 

I'm not sure I understand... are you saying you're putting the 1080Ti into an X570 board because of the PCIe slots? Because a 3.0 AIB is not going to perform faster in a 4.0 slot. But, if you need the surplus of PCIe lanes for your SSDs then I could see X570 being of use to you.

Depends on what you define as "better". As an input interface, PS/2 is all anybody needs, but, the moment you want to do something "unconventional", USB becomes the more obvious choice.

It isn't fully supported, just simply "supported". X370 doesn't even fully support Zen+ (I think XFR was the only big difference). In both cases, X370 will get the job done for a good price, but if you're looking for a Zen2 with more than 8 cores, I would advise against the 300 series chipsets, because the VRMs in most of those boards will likely be insufficient.

 

Hmm... Let's see:

ryzen 3800X ($399) + X470 ($175): $574
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145059?Description=x470 motherboard&cm_re=x470_motherboard-_-13-145-059-_-Product

intel 9900k ($485) + z370 ($155): $640
https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i9-9900K-Desktop-Processor-Unlocked/dp/B005404P9I
https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813145088?Description=z370 motherboard&cm_re=z370_motherboard-_-13-145-088-_-Product

Looks like the combo even with z370 is already more expensive, so maybe check your math?

 

X570 is supposed to be an enthusiast-class chipset (like X470 and X370 before it) with enthusiast-class pricing. Is anyone actually expecting a cheap enthusiast motherboard? You also aren't required to buy a X570 board for Matisse - I plan on using it on my current X470 board.

This isn't like Intel, where you are forced to buy a new board to upgrade beyond two generations. The total cost for Zen 2 in no way includes the cost for a X570 board so anyone complaining about the cost of Matisse due to X570 is spouting BS.

 

I mean...the total cost would be higher for someone who doesn't already have a Ryzen build, unless they want to buy old mobos and call it a day. I don't imagine AM4 will be supported forever since the target was 2020, which is rapidly approaching. Maybe they'll keep it alive for 10 more years, we don't know yet. I would also bet that there are plenty of Intel platform people that haven't upgraded in a while simply because the performance didn't really warrant it vs. their current set up, so buying a new AMD mobo will be a must if they want to jump ship.

It's great that they're able to charge more because they have a product that will hopefully achieve parity in all areas, but we'll know more about that soon. I'm just thinking out loud here, but if the cost savings of going AMD is significantly reduced, then that will give people enough reason to consider current Intel if the performance isn't better. And if this has a chance of being the last gen for AM4, a lot of people will be pretty upset if Intel comes out with a rocket ship in 2020 and they have to do a complete rebuild to catch up since their AM4 is no longer supported. All conjecture, I know, but worth considering. I understand that they don't want to be seen as just a value option any longer, but it's definitely worked wonders for their bottom-line the last few years since you could get a rocking system for a lot less. I'm due for a new build in the next year, so I'll be weighing my options heavily.

 

To add to all of this: it's still cheaper than if you were to get an Intel equivalent.

It might not be cheap, but it is a good value.

 

It would only be higher if said person wants the latest chipset. From what I can see, the main benefit of X570 is PCIe 4.0 so if you don't need or want the extra bandwidth then X470/B450 is a perfectly good option.

 

Seems many in here forgot the Z270 $400+ (even $800) boards lasted only 1 gen for only 1 CPU the 7700K. Is not that far away people, just 2 years ago. Or you forgot the X299 boards costs just to use the 7740K which was better than the 7700K? And the craziness buying it because "it's better".

At least anyone getting even a 3900X can use a B450 or X470, or B550 later in the year.
Nothing forces you to buy X570, which let's be honest $200 isn't that bad for good boards. Some of the expensive ones have BOM (bill of materials) over 60% their value, paying $120 only just for the VRMs and power distribution, before SB, wiring, motherboard, R&D, employees, marketing, packaging and distribution.

 

https://www.nvidia.com/object/product_nforce_980a_sli_us.html


NVIDIA nForce® 980a SLI
ASUS sold NVIDIA nForce® 980a SLI as well

 

I meant for input, more specifically for keyboard input, but also for mice. I used to be president of a company making among other things USB peripherals. I do not love USB but it seems to have won.

If IBM had made PS/2 computers AT compatible history might be different.

 

i have a B350 with 1700 and i just got the bios update for new Ryzen cpus note mine is a B350 Tomahawk.

 

I'll probably buy some x470. I have no need for PCIE 4 with 2 SSD I have. I can also get them under 200$ and If I remember correctly, most of these boards can be flashed blindly with USB stick, so no problem with bios upgrade.

Unless there is a massive difference in VRMs of course.

 

I just updated my x370 BIOS to the version that supports these new CPU's. I'm hoping reviews show no performance loss of the new CPU's on the old x370 boards.

 

@JamesSneed I am in the same boat with MSI x370 Carbon.

 

There should be a performance loss due to XFR, how much though is the question.

 

I don´t mind the price of the boards as long as they are good. Normally i spend around 200€ on a MB because i prefer to buy something better than to buy a cheap one but that´s me. For me the biggest issue so far is the presence of a fan on the MBs...

 

From everything I have seen that is likely not the case since XFR is a CPU feature not a motherboard feature. The 2600x performs the same in the x370 and x470 boards. I'll be keeping an eye on third party Ryzen 3000 reviews using x370 before I upgrade.

 

Ouch so about 260$ CAD + taxes for an entry level X570 motherboard...I'm not too happy about that, I usually try to not go over 230$ CAD with taxe with a high-end chipset, indeed AMD is not about price anymore...at least for the high-end gear.

 

X370, x470, b450, etc. What do you people not understand about this?

 

I'm well aware of these are options, I was only talking about the price of X570.