Intel 10nm Ice Lake processors will be available significant quantities this year

Discussion in 'Frontpage news' started by Hilbert Hagedoorn, Apr 26, 2019.

  1. Hilbert Hagedoorn

    Hilbert Hagedoorn Don Vito Corleone Staff Member

    Messages:
    48,398
    Likes Received:
    18,573
    GPU:
    AMD | NVIDIA
    Denial and chispy like this.
  2. Ricardo

    Ricardo Member Guru

    Messages:
    165
    Likes Received:
    113
    GPU:
    1050Ti 4GB
    This here is the real news: Intel's 10nm failed.

    Let's hope AMD doesn't take too much advantage of consumers with the massive leverage this gives to them.
     
    chispy likes this.
  3. illrigger

    illrigger Master Guru

    Messages:
    340
    Likes Received:
    120
    GPU:
    Gigabyte RTX 3080
    If they indeed do manage to reach near-parity in IPC with Zen 2 as rumored, AMD won't even need to worry about Intel in the desktop space - they win by default. Even if the rumors about the 12- and 16- core desktop chips getting delayed until Q4 are true, there are no products Intel has on their docket for at least a year that can compete at 14nm, the 9900k is already pushing that node farther than it should be pushed.
     
    Undying and chispy like this.
  4. chispy

    chispy Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    9,979
    Likes Received:
    2,693
    GPU:
    RTX 4090
    " desktop procs remain at 14nm for a year or two. " , I suspect those 2 years might turn into 3 ~ 5 years wish does not make sense , they better come up with 7nm fast and i mean like really fast as 10nm it's already dead on the water for desktops.
     

  5. TLD LARS

    TLD LARS Master Guru

    Messages:
    768
    Likes Received:
    362
    GPU:
    AMD 6900XT
    This sentence does not inspire hope " the organization drove a nearly 2X improvement in the rate at which 10nm products move through our factories."
    Anand made a first look on a laptop model that used the 10nm, i think it was used exclusively in that one laptop model, because the yield was so bad, it turned out that the performance was so close to 14nm, that no one could spot the difference.
    https://www.anandtech.com/show/13405/intel-10nm-cannon-lake-and-core-i3-8121u-deep-dive-review
     
    chispy and Ricardo like this.
  6. HWgeek

    HWgeek Guest

    Messages:
    441
    Likes Received:
    315
    GPU:
    Gigabyte 6200 Turbo Fotce @500/600 8x1p
    And from that Review- Look at the Power Usage at same frequency vs current 14nm:
    [​IMG]
     
  7. nevcairiel

    nevcairiel Master Guru

    Messages:
    875
    Likes Received:
    369
    GPU:
    4090
    There is a reason that version of 10nm wasn't used for anything but one niche product you could barely get your hands on. 10nm in 2019 is not the same process anymore.
     
  8. Aura89

    Aura89 Ancient Guru

    Messages:
    8,413
    Likes Received:
    1,483
    GPU:
    -
    Not trying to start an argument, but your statement implies that it should be "much better" then the 8121U's 10nm process. Obviously, it should be better, hopefully in yields, but what do you have that implies it should be better in anything other then yields?

    They are purposefully not bringing it to desktops, at least for the next 1-2 years, which ofcourse implies, it's not doing well. So what do we have to show that it's doing well?

    Just trying to justify your post, as sure, it's not the same process anymore, that's what happens as years go on, but that's not necessarily a "positive" statement in itself. Being different isn't necessarily "good".

    There's no reason to expect that this years 10nm process will match intels 14nm efficiency or speeds, which is what it would have to do, at bare minimum, to be considered "good", and there's no reason to expect this given their 2 year outlook on desktop processors.

    For all we know the ONLY difference between the 8121U and whatever they release this year will be....HOPEFULLY anyways, that they got the GPU finally working, as the 8121U had a GPU, and it never worked. That's all i hope for, and expect.
     
  9. HWgeek

    HWgeek Guest

    Messages:
    441
    Likes Received:
    315
    GPU:
    Gigabyte 6200 Turbo Fotce @500/600 8x1p
    +1,
    In image above we see 8121U consumes ~40%+ more power over 8130U, Do you think that Intel made it go down to ~4W? since this is what they have to do to compete with next gen Ryzen, we all saw the eng.sample vs 9900K.
    Also this year we have more refined 9th Gen low power parts, so the Gap vs this 10nm 8121U got bigger too.
    I also think that Intel's 7nm will be the solution, the 10nm Fubs gonna have different usage(Tiny Chiplets/dies) - not for HEDT/ High end Desktops.
     
  10. nevcairiel

    nevcairiel Master Guru

    Messages:
    875
    Likes Received:
    369
    GPU:
    4090
    Yield and power efficiency are somewhat related - they are both a product of how close to perfect your process manages to be. Its the same as the "Die lottery", if you get a perfect chip, it'll run higher clocks with less voltages, because otherwise more power is required to overcome small imperfections in the silicon.
    So if the only thing they did improve was to make the process less errorprone, that results in higher yield, as well as a cleaner silicon - requiring less power to drive it.
     

  11. Ricardo

    Ricardo Member Guru

    Messages:
    165
    Likes Received:
    113
    GPU:
    1050Ti 4GB
    That would, perhaps, be true, if Intel didn't already reveal that there won't be any high end 10nm processors in the next 2 years. In light of this info, there's no way they're going to be able to ship 10nm in sufficient volume and quality before 7nm gets ready for mass production.

    https://www.anandtech.com/show/13683/intel-euvenabled-7nm-process-tech-is-on-track

    So yeah, 10nm is dead.
     
    Aura89 likes this.
  12. nevcairiel

    nevcairiel Master Guru

    Messages:
    875
    Likes Received:
    369
    GPU:
    4090
    Intel revealed nothing. All this thread and its OP are based on are leaks of an enterprise timeline (not consumer), and wild speculation. Double sourced confirmed information is not to be found.
    The article you linked even states that Intel is still going to release datacenter products on 10nm "a bit later" [after 2019], and datacenter means big chips.
     

Share This Page