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  1. The Laughing Ma

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    Haven't seen the new movie but it looks like Hellboy as a movie franchise is dead now judging by the opening weekend values and the general reviews.
     
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    Guillermo del Toro should have just made another Hellboy movie and gave us a trilogy instead of this reboot. If it ain't broke...
     
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    "When you can't make it good, at least make it short." ...is something many movies fail at.
    Well, "The Head Hunter" is not such movie. It is short and good.
    In introduction one gets glimpse into life of character in quite serious way. (Which is kind of funny if one would imagine this being actual Skyrim NPC with pre-scripted repetitive life.) They introduce all there is to movie world through doing and visuals, therefore there are few sentences spoken. (Again in contrast to all those movies where everything has to be explained, which usually slows story progression a lot.)
    Camera knows when to show details and when to give larger perspective.
     
  4. Kaleid

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    Watched Glass yesterday. Good actors but the plot is dragging on and makes no bloody sense. 3.5/10
     

  5. Fox2232

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    I loved the movie. It was thrilling. Never a dull moment, always something to think about. All those lovely details which have been put there. Movie is like bag full of candies.
    And it made so much sense.

    It is similar to Miss Sloane which is another movie I love. It is established from start that Sloane is deep character. And as movie goes on and shows larger time scale, her character gets that much more impressive. But one does not know how deep and brilliant till last scene.
    Many movies have layers of complexity hidden and it is understandable that not everyone will enjoy them. But 3.5/10 is not even objective.

    Glass has great story telling, camera work, foreshadowing, characters, Everything fits together nicely. If you did not like ending, which would be understandable, then movie succeeded in making you care/relate.
     
  6. Kaleid

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    How exactly? They tell them they have no powers and constantly prove to them that they have. And if it is important that this information does not reach out, why not simply give them overdoses and say they died of reason X?
    Besides, what would such videos leaking online accomplish? Most people would not think of it being real anyhow.
    None of it makes any damn sense. How is the beast even a superhero? He's more of a villain.
    No, it didn't make me care, I had to watch it in two parts because I was so bloody bored.

    Oh, how fitting, when I have just seen it [FILLED WITH SPOILERS]
     
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  7. Fox2232

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    You really did not understood motives of that lady "psychiatrist" at all. And when one does not understand source, then targets are hard to grasp too. Yet, she clearly communicates what drives her and where she wants this to go.
    If she had them killed (as she could) in beginning, she would have failed. She failed in the end by having them killed anyway. That was never her goal. That was simply fail-safe and she was on clock which she clearly stated too.

    (Just a side question: Are you color blind in any form? That may explain Beast <=> hero idea of yours.)
     
  8. Kaleid

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    She is there to make them believe they have no supernatural special powers at all right? Despite all of them having experienced them for a long time...which is a fools errand to begin with and putting them all in the same building also creates the chances that they will enforce their own views that they are right, does it not? The beast can kill people with his muscle mass but couldn't do to so with Bruce because well, he is unbreakable.
    And as said, the character that Jackson plays has supposedly a very special brain yet he plans on putting that on the net, when people in reality would not even believe it to be real, nor would they all be watching the same thing on their phones like they did.

    No, I'm not colorblind, and even if I was it would not change the movie at all. Surely she had even booked the lobotomy on the brain prior to her only 3 days of important work on them, when in reality such things would take at the very least few years to have any understanding of or any possibility of changing the outcome. A measly 3 days?

    But I should add that I'm not fan of superhero movies or super capabilities at all, as they are all at one level or another rather dumb.

    In Split we at least also saw him struggling between his different personalities, but in the new movie they invent a strong light which causes him to switch between them against his will. And as if some of them wouldn't be smart enough to walk backwards toward the light and simply destroy them. In a maximum security system you'd expect them to at least have the lights built-in inside the walls.
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    Edit: A far better movie is the Professor and the Madman. Sean Penn is especially brilliant. One of those movies which can be seen a few more times...
     
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  9. Fox2232

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    Well, You did not like premise, nor that it did almost work. Or possibility for one to drop his belief as another is shown to have no actual super powers even through deceit

    Could you for second imagine that there are 3 murders, and then there is coverup story. Then days later actual full footage of events gets out? I think it would have effect much higher than you think.

    As for that colorblindness question. Characters had color theme. Comic store has matching color theme... Beast has no Green (Heroes) theme, so he's no Hero. That's why I asked you even about that confusion. It was not subtle hint in the movie, it was pretty obvious. And even trailer gave it importance.

    Now, Walking backwards to proximity sensor? Or did you think that not looking into light directly would prevent personality switch? Tiny room with white walls. Even closing ones eyes would not help with that intense light. What could have worked? Cover ones eyes with cloth. That's if his body did not react too. (Which was not explored. And that leaves light switch as character mechanics...)
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    Can you even watch any fantasy movie when premises and mechanisms there are nowhere near reality? At one side understanding that this is "Super-character"/Fantasy movie. On other side expecting premises to work in our world. Or is it due to Glass character mechanics being too close to reality that you was not taking it as fantasy movie?
    I do not know, only you can answer those things for yourself, not for me. But I would say that you was lost overthinking some details while ignoring others.

    But when people go in that direction, I always point out that number of Hero characters in MCU/DC are just humans in protective suits. And that upon taking any of strikes which greatly accelerate their bodies in fraction of second, they would become ketchup. (Inertia is pretty deadly thing same way as 1st Newton's Law of Motion describing it.)
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    When others did not exactly like Glass few pages back, they did it with understanding and point of view. I could agree with them on nuances which did break it for them. About things they did not like. But here, I have hard time believing that you actually paid any attention. Yet you bring "Professor and the Madman" which is another movie where one has to pay attention.
     
  10. Kaleid

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    The premise is OK, everything matters how you execute the final product. I found it to be a b-movie with a-list actors.
    Ehm, supposedly this group is after all quite powerful. Since at least two of them are already not part of normal every day life nobody would miss then if they just had vanished.
    I'm used to more Game of thrones types of chacthers at this point, it's not specifically certain that they are either good or evil, and partly I did not take it seriously because they even hire bad guys to do good work in Suicide Squad, I don't consider this movie to be that much more serious really.
    You can easily block out the light with a pillow and closed lights. One of the personalities would have figured this one out..
    No, movies do not need to be realistic in order to be great. I liked the last serious Batman movie with Bane although Batman of course could easily be killed in a realistic world. All it would take is a sniper and a rather well placed shot to take him out. I know the director does a lot of work that in some way at least metaphorically mirrors our own, and since we are in mostly a reality based world, you would expect someone supersmart to come up with a better plan. Really, that's it?

    Marvel is further away from reality as are more DC movies, I tend to think most of it looks rather bad with CGI which is quickly outdated. The plots are rather simplistic, as Bill Maher points out in one of his new rules it's pretty much always a normal nobody that somehow receives a great gift of getting some superpowers and then it all comes down to finding shiny this or shiny thing that, kind of like the nonsense of one right to rule them all. It's rather tiring.
    Of Marvel movies I have only liked one Avengers movie and that is the last one, this is for on reason only, for once the bad guy has a motive that at least somewhat makes sense. But then throwing in massive amounts of superheroes kind of dilutes it all, which also started to happen in the Arkham games, which I enjoy far more than the movies, as Batman doesn't even become such a necessity as others can step in and take over.
    The idea of meta-humans too, is pretty well covered in X-men movies, and I know this even though I have not cared to watch them all. Glass made the mistake of breaking the 4th wall too often as well, which is a quick way to take yourself out of the movie...

    Yes, you have pay attention in both movies, the difference is that the latter movie is a far better one. Lots of people praise the actor for doing many personalities, but just like the Honest Trailer video demonstrates it also kind of looks like an SNL audition and the light switch thingy is there to give the audience quick demonstrations on how switch personalities to keep the ADHD audience entertained. The actor is in another far better movie called the last king of Scotland. I'd rather watch it again, as even though I have not seen it for ages it is a far more memorable film.

    To summarize the two (Glass and the Professor), the latter is actually worth paying attention to. I don't even get why it bothers you so much that someone else didn't like a movie that you liked. It's really not that great, more like...PASS.
    My friend also watched it separately from me, and he likes things which are out of the ordinary, anything that doesn't remind him of normal life and he hated it too. It's just not that special.
     

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    @Kaleid : Why? It is simple. 3,5/10 has special meaning: "Do not watch at all, no matter what." It is stamp for movies with horrid everything there is to movie making. But not bad enough to fall into 1~2/10 category where some movies are so bad that they are actually good.

    Let's say that I would judge Glass as 3,5/10. Then I would look at new Hellboy which is pretty bad movie and one may watch it while doing something else. How would I have to rate this Hellboy then?
    If Glass had camera work worth 3,5/10, then Hellboy would have it -3/10. If Glass had story(telling) 3,5/10, then Hellboy would have to be 0/10. If Glass had characters 3,5/10, then Hellboy characters would be -1/10. What if glass had atmosphere 3,5/10? Hellboy with all those inconsistencies breaking the immersion would be like -5/10.

    One thing is not liking the movie, or even hating it, which would be subjective. But giving out rating is something that should be remotely objective.
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    When I watch some TV series, I often rate each episode in categories which should matter to given genre like: story progression, action, character development, fun factor, ... and then I add final stamp on how much I like show till that moment which is highly subjective. (And is telling how likely I am to continue watching.) This is helpful to friends as there may be few episode dip in quality, or they will know that it is going to be even worse and just stop watching.

    So, I really wonder how would you rate weak movies like this Hellboy which has absolutely nothing going for it after 1st scene.
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    Ask your friend on how would he liked next and last Avengers movie if every single Avenger died permanently. And if some Guardians of Galaxy died too? What if nobody got actually revived?
    Because most negative part of Glass for people I know is that nobody survived, and they still did not see movie as a whole in negative light.
     
  12. Kaleid

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    @Fox2232. No, just no. First you say that I didn't get what the movie was saying and now you are inventing special answers to why I gave the movie a bad score. If a movie is sleep inducing, it doesn't matter if the actors are good, cinematography is good etc...it's just a bore.

    "But giving out rating is something that should be remotely objective."
    That does not exist. Your viewpoint on the movie is entirely subjective and you are trying to turn it into something objective when it isn't. You're almost taking this way too personally to begin with, how dare he say bad stuff about a movie I liked. Do you go to the Honest Trailer YT clip too fight with people who thought it was pretty much an unremarkable movie that is dull? Well, I'm not in the mood to waste more time on it.
    I've had similar discussions with people who think they can objectively claim how the ideal person should be, if done with with genetics to improve freely. You won't find an objective answer there either because people do not weigh all things equally.
    Same thing if you discuss freedom, which weighs heavier? Try to get an objective answer to this one as well.

    As for the Hellboys..I've seen a few of them. I kind of like the idea behind it too, but I'm not into those movies either. And here's a hint, lot of people will love Hellboy more than Glass, and it's entirely up to them to decide this.

    I don't care about survival, Leon dies in one of my favorite movies at the end, but it's still a bloody good movie. I'm now eagerly awaiting the last episodes of GoT, it won't break my heart if my fictional favorites in that die. Let them.
    I care even less if they die in Glass, which they did because most of them are bloody dull. At least there won't be another boring sequel with these boring bastards. I just threw one guy into a wall from a long distance, but I'll allow this so called psychiatrist to brainwash me into thinking I never did do that (despite there being video evidence and all). Yes, how identifiable. Not. What a bloody brilliant plan to bring all three of us to the same building.
    And hey, no trial either.
     
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    Well, even your 1st answer post hinted that you was not paying much attention. Missing big neon light texts. Color themes. Misunderstanding at least 2 out of 4 characters. (Beast and Staple)
    Not understanding connections and ending. You state that movie was so dull that you was borderline falling asleep? Were you actually asleep? Because missing those big parts of story and characters is hard to explain by any other event without questioning your mental health. (And you seem to be mentally healthy.)

    I wanted to know why you gave that rating. And you did not actually answer. You managed to pull many things unrelated to movie. And arguments which were subjective, but not yours. (As such, not acceptable as you had to look for them.)
    You could not even discus movie you just saw. And from all of it, I came to conclusion that "saw" is overrated in this case.

    I'll give you my and your quote:
    I'll give you something unrelated to movie too. I guess you know what ASMR is. It works only if you pay attention to information and allow brain to process it. Be preoccupied with something else or ignore it for other reason, and whole ASMR seems like it does not exist. It will have no effect whatsoever.
     
  14. Kaleid

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    As said, there is not much worth paying attention to. Mister. Last name. Glass. Is. cringe. worthy. It's.a.bloody.joke. What bloody level? Who has the first name mister? Pretentious BS, again from the guy who's brilliant idea was to upload that crap on the internet and getting himself killed in the end as well as the others. Bloody brilliant. Use your brain to actually do something in the world instead of getting yourself killed but succesfully putting that crap on the internet. Imagine if a Bond villain did the same. They'd die before half the movie was over.

    And as pointed out, others like the guys who make honest trailers didn't like it either, and it's their job to find the good and the bad in movies. I won't care to rewatch this nonsense even if comes on telly.
    Read again. I stated that I watched it in two parts because it was dull the first time, and it continued to be dull after I watched the rest after the 40 minutes or so.
    It was mildly interesting in the beginning when he shuts down lights and throws a guy in the wall. But then then they pick up quotes from the bad guys and break the 4th wall and thus quickly break any sort of immersion to begin with.
    Unbreakable guy can't work on being afraid of water. Heck, my brother had a panic in early age when he was under water for too long and but he got over it and now can swim.
    My friend (who didn't like the movie) almost died and had to take a syringe in his heart or something to that effect because he was dying out of alcohol poisoning does not avoid alcohol but avoided syringes for as long as possible but even he overcame that. And I'm to believe that Bruce Willis has problems with these in the movie? Lame limp dicked meta-humans are bloody dull, same with Mass Effect 2 where you put together a team of super specialists for your important mission to save the galaxy but you as the leader have to aid them all with their more or less not even big problems. They are supposed to be professionals, yet I have to be their damn psychologist. If I have to do that then I'm not exactly even looking for the right crew, and I should know because I have run a business with about 12 people working under me.
    Oh yes you have drug problems, I work 12 hour days, let me help you with that by going to deal with the people who brought you into this mess. You are a pro and all but somehow you can't deal with your past problems. Eff that.
    The story in the movie is bloody braindead.
     
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    In the superhero universe a couple come to mind. Mister Fantastic aka Reed Richards. Mister Terrific aka Michael Holt and there are many many more. Mister Glass is really Elijah Price. Your comment about "first name mister" reminded me of the scene in Avengers Infinity War when Spider-Man introduced himself to Doctor Strange.
     

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    May be that for some that is impressive. But for me I'd except him to demonstrate his special...introduction with some better action. I'm mr...Glass and I'm going to get us all killed, but at least it will be on youtube.
    Of course there is Mr Freeze, Dr Manhattan etc.. but glass...that's his bones, that's his weakness. "Oh hiya all. I'm Mr cripple."
     
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    Naive character shows ill advised "resurrection" method to stupid character who just lost cat. Cat is not the same and kind of gets his daughter killed.
    Stupid character does not know any better than to bring her back too. Takes only 65minutes of waiting out of 100 minutes runtime.
    But main thing does not start there, yet. There's about 25 minutes of actual "story".

    There would be nice plot twist, which unfortunately plays null. Girl had autopsy before resurrection, so she is kind of stapled together. Unfortunately her father does not really feels emotional terror as he realizes that this resurrection is nothing beautiful (re-genesis sort) and he did horrible thing. And viewer already knows from trailer.

    If you watch this trailer, you can as well read spoiler since there is nothing more to this movie than what's shown in trailer.
     
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    A Private War. Gripping all the way through. Don't watch it for political accuracy though, as it gives the normal simplified version of reality we hear from many politicians and talking heads. Watch it to understand the human toll of war both personal and what happens to others. Don't lose your empathy.
     
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    The Longest Day (1962)

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0056197/

    I've always been a fan of movies with strong characters. Also who can get enough of Henry Fonda and John Wayne?

    Richard Burton, well, he's like the icing on the cake and in a league of his own.

    However I always end up having to watch them by myself, because my friends don't like classics, but who can blame them, we all grew up with 90's television.
     
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    Movie related, type 'Thanos' in to Google and then press the the Gauntlet...

    very cool.

    Going to bottom line End Game. Not as good as IW but a fantastic movie all the same. It had a lot more fan service moments in it than IW and my god the ending. It not only ties up the events of IW but also ties up the events of the last 22 movies and 11 years.

    Love the movies or hate them their has been nothing quite like the grand MCU experiment and even if it all falls flat from this point on wards at least I can say I was there right from the start and saw it right through to the End Game. ;)
     
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