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  1. b101uk

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    London is Europe’s third largest city, and by the time you normalise to murders per 100,000 people and compare it to other European cities via the same murders per 100,000 people metric, given you cannot directly compare murder rate without accounting for population differences between cities, then London’s murder rate for its given population is quite low vs other European cities, who’s headline figures may appear on the face of it to be lower, but that’s down to the population and size difference not being taken into account.


    Also keep in mind what passes for murder in New York is under-reported vs. London, given the UK has far stricter definition of what constitutes the unlawful taking of a life .


    i.e. what would New York’s or many other cities murder rate be if they were adjudged via the standard of UK law vs. some other laxer definition, or what would the data look like if the data for the number of people shot dead by police was included too, given more than a few would not pass the test of reasonable force.


    London and New York have similar populations BTW.
     
  2. fantaskarsef

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    I'm not sure that being able to carry a knife against illegal guns does help anyone... don't bring a knife to a gun fight still remains true :D
     
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    London, which has smaller population than our entire country has annually more murders than our entire country.
     
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    It isn't surprising that urban areas have higher rates of crime.
     

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    It’s funny you say that as you are talking as though you were there and know what they implied. That was not meant aggressively by the way.

    The 2nd amendment gives the PEOPLE the right to form the “well regulated militia” along with the “right to bear arms” these two are separated by a comma that would imply that neither are inclusive of the other and that you have the right to bear arms or form a well regulated militia, or you have the right to do both.

    Another word I want you to pay attention to is “rights” that implies that this amendment established more than one individual right.
     
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    The word "Rights" in the title refers to the several Rights as enumerated in the... Bill of Rights... Not that the 2nd was bifurcated as multiple rights. I do not believe your argument holds water attempting to use the TITLE of the bill as describing the contents of each INDIVIDUAL right as enumerated. There is no Constitutional argument or case law I've seen making your argument. Could you cite them? It is also interesting that you chastised him for "It’s funny you say that as you are talking as though you were there and know what they implied." While you "Another word I want you to pay attention to is “rights” that implies that this amendment established more than one individual right." did the same thing. This is not meant in an aggressive manner but to perhaps help you clarify your thinking. ;)
     
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    No point in arguing with someone you obviously can’t read and comprehend. Plus you are about as far left and anyone I’ve seen on this forum and could be sited with all the proof you ask for and still not change your position.

    Skyozis knows I’m not chastising him so don’t try and make it out like I am.
     
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    That looks to me like you had no counter to a well reasoned post. I guess, when your own antics are turned against you so deftly... So, you decided to deflect and dishonestly claim I'm far left despite you knowing I am retired military and voted for Reagan twice. Your political attacks literally have nothing to do my critique of your post. I believe who lacks comprehension and reading skills falls squarely your court or we must assume you're portraying my politics dishonestly for other motives. Regardless, if retreat is your best argument, I agree with many others that discussion with you is pointless.
     
  9. airbud7

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    you said the same^ thing about me the other day to! ...same copy/paste reply when anyone disagrees with you.
     
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  10. HeavyHemi

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    Link to it.
    Could you show that post you're talking about? And while you're at it, link to the others you're talking about. Back up what you are saying. It is getting real alarming seeing the Trump Trooper fake news and lying infecting GURU 3D like another WCCF. Knock it off, now.
     

  11. Lex Luthor

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    WTF? Ya'll can't answer a simple question and instead go off on a diatribe !
    Ex. "Wow! That's still a lot of murders, London should make firearms illegal!:rolleyes:" <<<Sarcasm...just in case.

    And instead no one has balls to admit it's moral and ethical education that is lacking... pisses me off:mad:
     
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    Actually, the commas exist because it's proper English and not American English. Translated to "American English" the 2nd Amendment would read "Because a well regulated militia is necessary to ensure the security of a free state, the right to own weapons can't be infringed". Or, if we translate it to Kentuckian....it would read "Cuz we gotsta protekt our landz, dem liberals kan't take awr gunZ!" Or we can translate it to SC/Ga for airbud....lol

    At face value (in other words, reading the words that are actually there without trying to interpret things or imply a meaning that isn't directly stated), the 2nd Amendment only guarantees the right to "keep and bear arms" for the purpose of maintaining a "well regulated militia". That is precisely what the text of the second amendment states, in proper English. However, in the US, people like to interpret things to fit their own agenda.

    Personally, I don't care if people own guns. However, establishing reasonable regulations doesn't "infringe" on anyone's right to "keep and bear arms". People with a documented history of mental illness that increases the likelihood of violence or that have a documented history of violence, should not have legal access to guns. If someone reports another person to authorities as being a risk to public safety, law enforcement should be required to interview such person and remove their guns until they're deemed to pose no risk by a qualified professional. Anyone who acts in such a manor as to incite violence that involves a gun, should be held responsible as an "accomplice" to that action. If a gun dealer sells a firearm without a proper background check, they're held responsible as an "accomplice" to any crime committed involving said firearm. Maybe if we start holding people accountable, things might start to change.
     
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  13. HeavyHemi

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    There's a lot of things lacking. It certainly isn't the fault of the weapons. It's the fault of those using them and our inability to keep them away from nutters. We've got nearly 400 million guns that we know of in the US and who knows how many we don't know of. There's a reason why most of us ex military and law enforcement types want to keep particularly deadly types of weapon more restricted and harder to purchase. What is the problem with requiring just a bit more scrutiny for someone desiring to purchase something mimicking the capabilities of weapons of war? We require different licensing and training levels for drivers of vehicles and even more severe restrictions and requirements for carrying hazardous material or passengers.
    We don't need bans, we need better control. We need people to speak up. Nearly every case shows that people had warnings or saw signs and didn't act.
     
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    Okay I will quote you and point out why it is pointless arguing with you.

    The word right in the 2nd amendment is not in reference to the header for the amendments. It is directly naming the right which the 2nd amendment protects (not bestows, PROTECTS)

    Here read it again and slowly.
    This is the ratified amendment. The first part is a statement the and sets up the reason for the right to bear arms. Common sense only needs be employed here. YOUR right to keep and bear arms is absolute. It's not only if you are in a militia because without the arms to begin with the armed militia could not be formed.

    The unimpeded ability to keep and bear arms should not be eliminated.

    This I agree with wholeheartedly. It's a fairly well known fact that the US has a mental health issue that is mainly ignored by the media and the government (this is because they are responsible for it seeing as the media glorifies tragedy and the government educates the massed).

    The FBI was informed more than once about the guy in Parkland but did nothing (too busy getting dispositions from washed up porn stars)
    The local police were told not to arrest students so the city hall could collect a grant or whatever it was called from the state for "lowering crime rates in the juvenile population"
    Kentuckian LOL!

    But seriously you can't form a well regulated militia without first being able to keep and bear arms. A tyrannical government would not say, "Oh, okay ya'll are organized well and in regulation here's some arms so you can oppose us."
     
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    Educate to prevent nutters! And a semi auto carbine is excellent for eradicating feral hogs.
     
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    Amen Brother! I like to think some of the mental issue could be prevented by morality/ethics education but know there's many that have a medical condition this won't treat.
     
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    Indeed, 2nd amend RIGHT, not rights. I am glad we agree. Whew
     
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    You cannot prevent nutters. New ones are born every day. What we see consistently is people WHO KNOW THINGS do not come forward. I realize this is a tough situation. We don't want a surveillance state either were everyone is spying on their neighbors.
     
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    Yes but sometimes I feel the over medicating of the masses is partly to blame as well. Big Pharma is too in bed with the government so that won't be going away.

    Honestly I feel the biggest culprit is kids these days don't understand that life is not fair from an early age. They are coddled either by their parents or the education system and when they get into their teens reality starts to sink in that they are not special. At this point they are mentally frail and can not handle finding out they are just an average Joe.
    Yeah someone quoted the amendment incorrectly earlier and it got me all mixed up and typed "rights".
     
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    hahahaha....you talking bout me?

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