You can upgrade with current hardware to Windows 10...then if your mobo goes bad or you build a new rig...you can "re-activate" that same Windows 10 that was on your old rig or old mobo....Microsoft will indeed allow you to use the same original Windows 10 key on a new rig or new hardware/mobo...you do the simple phone activation. There is so much rumors floating around about this but i already did this and it works...you gotta read the "fine print" ha! But for real bro..you're fine to upgrade now/build a new rig and use the same orig win10 key. Makes no sense to upgrade right now until Intel starts pushing out more cores on all their processors (like you mention)..not just the uber high end stuff..but the current and previous line up of gaming processors that are the mainstream chips for gamers...example the sandy,ivy,haswell,sky 2600,3770k,4770k,6700k,etc,etc These current and previous gens of intel chips are more than sufficient for gaming and even the sandy's overclocked are bad ass chips for gaming still! If you are a gamer...all you need to focus on for now and the foreseeable future are the GPU hardware...The only thing i can see being crucial in the future are more cores...why Intel hasn't jumped fully into adding more cores is baffling but who cares, i am seeing a new trend of games making use of threads in place of more cores..we are fine with previous and more current Intel Icore chips as far as gaming is concerned. I currently have a 2 year old delidded Intel 3770K@5.0ghz stable and this Ivy is good to go for some years. The only thing i need to worry about is when to upgrade to a newer GPU.
Keep in mind that I've had my board since release. It's also spent most of it's life running benchmarks, stress tests and Folding@Home for days, weeks or months at a time. This is the first motherboard I've had last longer than a year in my possession....lol After a few hours, if I stress the CPU, the system will shut down. CPU temp is just fine. After 2-3 shutdowns, I have to flip the switch on the PSU for a few minutes before it will power on again. Last 4 boards I've had do the same, had burn marks on the VRMs....lol Edit: It's down again....lol
First time poster, long time reader. I think I already know the answer, but thought I might throw it out there and see some opinions. I currently am running a i5 3570 (non K) CPU, first of its gen, 8 gig DD3 1600, a Z77 M/B that supports non-K o/c and a Gigabyte Geforce 980 GTX Windforce. Also running OS off a SSD with a 2nd 250gig SSD for gaming with multiple 1+2 TB Platters for storage. I have a 750w Power Supply. Now, when I first built this PC a few years ago, I had a Geforce 660ti as the GPU but due to it unfortunately packing in a couple months back, I decided to future proof myself a bit and bang a 980 GTX in it. I now have the problem where I think the CPU is bottlenecked from the 980, which leads me to upgrade my CPU, MB and ram in the coming months. My question is this, would a 6700k, m/b and dd4 warrant enough of an upgrade from my current parts, or would I be better to pay approx the same price and go for the 5820K, m/b and DDR4 as I am not interested in SLI atm or the near future because the 980 really does handle anything I'm throwing at it (I game in 1080p only so i know its kinda overkill). What would be a preferred route to take or should I perhaps hold off until next year? Thanks! Aethanite
Could you test with higher resolution like you do with graphic cards ? I wonder if the gains might be bigger then. What games do you play most ? do you get FPS drops ? (like I do with my FX.. lol) does it bother you ? if so it's worth it, but yea in europe the 6700k is way overpriced.. 410 CHF in swiss in my local shop.. what the.. and 395 euros in an online store.. Also I checked the prices of the 5820k and remember it's more like 600 euros now.. where the 4930k was 500 ish if I remember correctly, we're suffering a massive milking !
hmm i been reading 350 MSRP for the 6700k if so microcenter will probably sell it for under 300$ i hope
These releases have been a little frustrating to be honest. I remember how much fun it was to drop in the 2600k when it came out. I wish something as game-changing would come around again. I'm curious to see what Skylake-E has to offer. But then again, maybe my 3960x will last a few more years. For me to jump ship, I'd like to see Intel offer an 8-core processor that isn't pushed as an extreme edition; otherwise I'll probably just add a third 290x and ride this CPU out.
I think my i5-3570K will hold out until AMD Zen is released . Considering Zen will go up against this CPU, I think it may be a worthy adversary. The only question will be whether to get the 4 true core, 8 thread APU with GPU, seeing as there may be load balancing with a discrete card, or the 8 true core monster with no GPU. The 8 core should in theory, obliterate the current Intel offerings. In the review, a comparison was done between 2133 RAM and 3200 RAM. This showed the 3200 RAM to be effectively pointless. One of the issues of the faster RAM though is timings, so what would be interesting is how this affects the results of the benchmarks. For example, I looked on the Gskill website, and found the following: DDR3-2133:15-15-15-35 Pretty much all models, except for one which was 15-15-15-36 DDR3-2400: 14-14-14-34 [Ripjaws 4] F4-2400C14Q-16GRK Now, I highly suspect the DDR3-2400 at those timings will be beneficial over the DDR3-2133. I also suspect that maybe the difference will be more noticeable once overclocking comes into play. There's also the consideration of RAM tweaking. If you had the 2400 RAM, put slightly higher voltage through it, then tweaked things like the Refresh interval, 1N vs 2N timing etc, how much difference that will make? There were a lot of review done with Sandy and Ivy and RAM of 1333, 1600, 2133 etc, it would be good to see a good review done with Skylake as well. The key thing to point out about the Sandy and Ivy reviews was that the Sandy CPU and chipset showed that anything faster than 1600 wasn't really worth it, however from Ivy CPU + Z77 onwards, that 2133 proved to be the 'sweet spot'. People often then referred back to the Sandy results which were of course, not relevant. The thing that was common in these reviews though was that after 2133 you got greatly diminishing returns, and I believe some even showed poorer performance than 2133 with DDR3-2800 or whatever. I believe the same thing is happening here, that 2133 may be like, 1600 RAM, and the 3200 could be like the 2800 RAM. A DDR4-2400 RAM test with good timings like the module above will likely show definitively whether faster than 2133 is worthwhile, at least on the Skylake platform (things may change later as DDR4 matures and timings drop). Comparisons done should be: base comparison (standard XMP profile RAM with standard CPU clock) CPU overclocked performance comparison (seeing as most with the K processor will overclock) CPU overclocked + tweaked RAM settings comparison (since this is what most enthusiasts buying the better RAM in the first place would do) Of course, this would only make sense if the faster RAM is like the one I suggested above (good timings with a small bump in speed). The reason for the small bump is for the same reason with DDR3. If you compared DDR3-1600 and DDR3-2800, you might think that anything faster than DDR3-1600 isn't worth it, because the benefit is very little. However, DDR3-2133 has been shown to be the 'sweet spot' for Ivy Bridge CPU's and later, since the RAM speed and timings aren't a simple matter of scaling well. What do people think, would this be a worthwhile experiment?
It seems intel can't or don't want to, bring the wow factor we had with Sandy Bridge. Skylake is pointless upgrade if u have high clocked sandy\Ivy or haswell, as for sandy the upgrade won't be the cpu performance but the whole new chipset.
Oh I got mixed up with the prices of the 5930k that's what is 600 euros the 5820k is indeed 400 euros ish.. wow I just don't get it...
Let's hope AMD Zen is as good as it seems. Even if you are anti-AMD, you should also be hoping that AMD Zen is not only good, but provides good competition. You would have to be pretty stupid and clueless not to, since it's the lack of competition as to why Intel hasn't really produced the wow factor performance wise at the moment.
I will hold on my upgrade until Zen is out. My rig ,as old it may be just works and never skipped a beat. The only thing that can motivate me to upgrade is power consumption
Im in the same boat, i just upgraded to a 3930K/x79 from a 980X/x58. Got i really cheap so it was a no brainer and sold my old x58 for allot! (still popular i guess) Running now at 4.3ghz and i hoped Skylake would bring in some real performance upgrades but it didnt ... I had my x58 for more then 6 years so im guessing with DX12 incoming this 3930K will last me another 3 years. :infinity:
How about giving that hardware away, instead of throwing it in the garbage... It's still a very potent CPU... Of course it's a step back.