Fallout 1 and 2

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  1. philheckler

    philheckler Master Guru

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    I absolutely love fallout3 and new vegas , now i never played fallout 1 and 2 , appreciate they are very different games to FO3 / NV - so what do fellow guru;s think about trying them out ? will they stand the test of time i wonder...
     
  2. Mkilbride

    Mkilbride Banned

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    I tried both, couldn't get into them. Combat was kinda bad, and being as it's like a 320 x 240 resolution game...very stretched, and buggy.

    I play alot of older games, but I couldn't get into it.
     
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    my brother finished replaying fallout tactics a few days ago, but it's definitely not for everyone. I don't remember if i ever finished 1/2/tactics o_O
     
  4. Xendance

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    Everyone should at least try them. And Mkilbride, the combat might feel "bad" since it's all about dice rolling in turns, it's not like FO 3 and New Vegas.
     

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    Yeah, I'm not a fan of DnD styled combat is all. I find it really lame when I miss an enemy standing directly in my face and shoot him with a shotgun, and he doesn't even move.
     
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    gridiron whirlw Ancient Guru

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    The stories are fantastic, and once you get a few hours into the game,they become very addictive.

    Be warned....you can play for houndreds of hours on each game :)

    In Fallout 2, I remeber getting married, then pimping my wife out :eek:
     
  7. Xendance

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    You should invest in small arms/big guns skill then, after few levels you can hit anything :p
     
  8. IcE

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    I'm gonna agree with Milk, I just couldn't get into them. Starting off is hard because there's several character builds (including the defaults) that are simply bad and you have no hope of finishing the game with. It's also almost impossible to know where you can go without dying a horrible death in the middle of the desert. I remember trying to go to Vault 15 and getting there and realizing I needed a rope to do anything. I couldn't find one. I had to look online to find it. Stuff like that makes it really hard to have fun. Sure, if it was back in the day I would have toughed it out, but today I just can't.
     
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    They are excellent games and well worth playing.

    There are patches to get around the 640x480 resolution, and you can make it widescreen if you want.
     
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    Well, that can be explained by the fact that during the 90's, games were actually hard. And I'm not saying "omglol you suck", just saying that it was hard for the first time for me too.
     

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    I played the crap out of Fallout 1 back in the day. I recently bought both from GOG but after starting them up, I just couldn't get into them either.
     
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    They're some of the greatest games ever made, no doubts there.

    I've played them both, multiple times. I still love them.
     
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    IcE Don Snow

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    Yeah I agree with that, I just don't really have the patience that I used to. Not that I like hand holding, I just wish it was less trial and error is all.
     
  14. Mkilbride

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    Bad design making it hard to play doesn't take skill. It's same reason why games like NWN2 fail.

    I play games from as early 1996 at times. Planescape Torment suffered from this also. Awesome atmosphere, insanely in-depth story, but by god, I couldn't finish it because of terrible terrible combat.
     
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    a college professor did a class experiment when fallout 3 came out and having students the played fallout 3 try to play fallout 2 i think it was, not suprisingly barely any of them could even fathom what was going on let alone get into the game.

    the ones that could tho loved the games and the ones that got them were the ones that actually read the manuals and online sites about combat mechanics character building and etc. but most of the class skipped them and just hated the games.

    i played fallout 2, 3 or 4 maybe 5 times over the years. even back in the day i had np getting started or surviving, course in later plays i cheated perks and stats etc, since once i beat a game i like to just replay it for the story rather than struggle to win fights or run for my life form many encounters early on.

    really fallout 2 is one of the greatest games ever made cause it was so much like playing a pnp game. one of the few rpgs ever made that really made me feel i could go about solving things any number of ways as long as i had the stats and perks to try the peaceful solution or the stealthy solution or the guns blazing solution. plus it is one of the games that really pushed the limits back in the day being you could hook up women or men, become a porn star, get married pimp out your wife, arm c4 in your inventory and let children pick pocket you to watch them blow up. there was just so much to do and find in fo2 it was an amazing game.

    still waiting for someone to make horrigans armor form fo2 for fo3 or new vegas :p that armor was godly when you cheated it in fo2 had to glitch the armor out to wield most weapons tho had to put them in a quick slot and swap weapons to trick the game into equipping them on the armor.

    i would do what the college kids that liked the game read up on the mechanics of the game and then give it a shot. really are both games that are worth trying to play at the very lest and giving them a chance period but if you never played old school rpgs or pnp games going form modern day games to this old school type is going to be a culture shock.
     

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    Nah man, I've always hated PnP and stuff games. Relying on chance is not my type of thing, you know? MMO's are as far as I'll go with the whole "roll the dice" bit, but I remember my friends always trying to get me to play DnD and I'd just be like "Ok, I attack x guy and kill him"

    "That's not how it works, you roll the dice, add this, subtract this, check the book on the type of swing, character stat, character race, ectera..."

    I don't think not liking Pen & Paper RPG's makes you any less of a gamer.
     
  17. cerebus23

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    well dice rolling is chance based, just like in real life everything is chance based imo. no matter your skill say shooting or in hand to hand combat the other guys skill matters as much, and will always be someone better. the dice system just allows a pnp game to recreate your skill vs their skill vs random chance and the whims of the gods :p. that is why the pnp system is inherently more deep than any pc game today cause pnp systems allow you to try everything no matter how silly. and as you level up in a pnp game or the real life equilivent of just pure experience, knowledge and practice, you get better in a pnp game just like real life.

    if i got a dex stat of 5 and want to climb a tree there is a roll for that, if i want to climb a tree and jump down on the nasty troll and stab him in the eyes to blind him there are rolls for that. pnp system reward and punish creativity, just like real life does, no risk no reward.

    not that if you do not care for pnp games you are not a "real" gamer that is kind of silly pnp take a great imagination and to be part actor and artist, since pnp games are the true sense of role playing. unlike most games that just toss you in a environment with limited systems and options and a narrow ruleset that you have to conform to.

    you want games where you point and click that is fine, but it hardly "real" in any sense of the word. i think your just looking at "skill" based games vs pnp games in the wrong light. just cause i can take a barret rifle in arma 2 and hit a running target from a mile away no way in hell i could do that in real life, not without years upon years of practice. nor could i hop into a airplane or a heliciopter and fly the thing even tho i could in longbow 2 or microsoft flight simulator again it would take years of training to fly a helo or plane in any real sense with instruction and classes and flight time to improve my skills. while some of my skills form those game might help me somewhat the weight of a helo or plane, or a weapon plus learning to handle the thing learning how it feels exactly and leanring how to apply all that knowledge in a real combat situation with bullets flying past your head or flak cannons shooting at your plane or air to air missiles and etc where real death is a likely hood is something entirely devoid in any "skill" based game.

    games allow us to do things we could not do in real life period, imo at lest pnp games are a more real representation of real life than most games today.
     
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    Fail? Suffered? You're making it sound like everyone thinks that way :rolleyes:
     
  19. Year

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    they are classics and fantastic games.

    however some of the game mechanics and controls were a little too complicated and counterintuitive.

    Fallout3 shares the same world but it's done so much better, this is one instance where new game beats the oldie goldie.

    still recommended to try the old ones, you can buy both from GOG.com, download digitally, all their games are patched and re-written to be 100% compatible with W7 and all games are DRM free, 5.99$ each, legit.

    or download them for free if you're a pirate.
     
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    i agree...except for the characters, story, dialogue, humour, atmosphere, music, immersion... and that "god DANG that was worth the hassle" moments i just never managed to find in F3

    =) but hey!..F3 may not have the immersion - though it sure does have a lot of immersHOn... and a damn lot of anticlimactic moments ... oh, and the kewl headshots...KBANG*
     
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