Powercolor AGP HD 3850

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  1. honestjohn

    honestjohn Maha Guru

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    There will be in 8.3 Cat Suite due soon and there are currently workarounds for those with issues such as the one Grill mentioned. The problem is a simple one actually, the current driver works with the card just fine. Catalyst Setup just doesn't recognize the deviceIDs of the HD 3850 AGP which is vendor specific. The Nvidia 7950GT and 7900GS AGP cards have the same problem by the way. Anyway the deviceID thing appears to effect both XP and Vista. However, the Inquiurer just mentions Vista in this link ...

    http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/02/16/3850-agp-supported-vista

    Blah, Blah, Blah.
     
  2. another-user

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    once gecube or powercolor get their cards out, ill pick one of those up and give the manual install a try.
     
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    I've still got a Micron Socket A AMD 1.2Ghz Athlon Thunderbird, with a gig and a half of memory and a 6600 GT BFG OC AGP Card.....It's still kick'in.....But it's painfully slow.....
     
  4. gogoboy

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    ATI is not to good with AGP driver support, from what I read. I say wait and show me the drivers BEFORE you buy it. Many posts say bad things about the x1950pro agp drivers, why should the hd3850 be any better for them. I know the hd3850 is a better card, only if it works. If driver support is poor, as it was in the past, it just seems foolish at this point to jump in. I have nothing bad to say about AGP, only that pci-x is easier to work with. The pci-x hd3850 is about 50 dollars less, you really can't upgrade with what you save their, but its a good start.
     

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    Back in the 06 or 05 i dont remember when ati decided to stop including CP panel with its drivers and use CCC (require .net frame) many people got ticked off so if i have to do it Grillteller's way i'll be fine with it, as long as it works with ATItools...

    Ya emailed gecube tech support about 3850 agp, heres what one of their tech support in Taiwan have to say
     
  6. arctic89

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    what about omega drivers? will it do this card any justice? xp/vista?
     
  7. honestjohn

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    The X1950 Pro driver support was fine, I had three of them. There were nasty issues with Cat 7.8 & 7.9 but they were resolved, and yes of course the driver situation for the HD 3850 AGP at this moment in time is not good at all. In a few weeks however that will change.

    As far as the blah, blah blah goes, sorry for the attitude. After 4 years of hearing the "AGP is Dead" crap, I'm a little too quick on the draw now. It's just that we've heard all these things before and we really don't need to be saved from the dreaded AGP slot anymore. Also, just about everyone is aware of how "great" PCI-E is as well. You did say it much nicer than most folks do, so I give you a lot of credit for that.
     
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    AGP topic/discussion is in the top 5 threads at both ATI and NVIDIA videocard forum boards.....Gotta like it.....
     
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    Well the 1.2Ghz Thunderbird is simply slower than a glacier by today's standards. That 6600GT sure shows its age by now, but is STILL bottlenecked by your CPU. ;)
     
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    Yea, I'll probably be upgrading the guts on that thing with an entry level pci-express motherboard, intel C2D, graphics card, and some memory and we'll see how it goes....
     

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    Hey I just got the Sapphire HD3850 AGP and it works fine in my System so there is no VIA Chipset Bug with the card. :) The PowerColor card is the last s***.

    I am so happy that finally it runs.
    I just ran Bioshock and Crysis on Vista DX10 and it runs great so also here no problems. And I got 8045 Points on 3DMark2006 guess i have to OC my CPU.

    Edit : Oced My CPU to 2.4 GHz and now got 8435 3DMarks in 06.
     
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  13. another-user

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    can you put up the link to your score?
     
  14. MJay27

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    Thanks MJay, i have the same cpu s939 x2 4200+ but @ 2.7ghz so im hoping to get even closer to 9000 3dmark06 default when i get my card. Did some calculations as the HD3850 draws a max of 95W and AGP provides 50W so pci-e gives another 45W which needs 95W/12V=~8A from your 12V line(s). My 450W psu 12V1@17A - 12V2@15A should be fine i think.

    Oh and umm try some 1080p HD content to see how much of an improvement UVD acceleration brings over no HW acc.
    http://www.apple.com/quicktime/guide/hd/

    Even 720p vc1 (wmv vc1 advanced) or h264(mpeg4-avc) will bring single s939, P4 to its knees. My dual-core barely runs 720p smoothly but it does heh. Though HD mpeg2 or wmv (vc1 simple) is a breeze as my current x800pro can accelerate those.
     
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    Cool

    I managed to put a Zalman 7700cu LED on my Pentium M rig and I managed to overclock slighly to 2.70GHz and the temperature dropped considerably, I will leave it as that for the moment, I had to increase the V Core though because even if I set the Vcore to 1.50v, when a CPU load happens, it always drop to 1.44-1.45v, seems that I need a Vcore Mod drop or something. I'm tempted to buy that Sapphire card, but it's just so cheap that makes me wonder why, I had some issues with the Sapphire X800XT that it would freeze for no reason no matter what I do, and still happening on my girlfriend's computer, it just happened once in a week at least, I don't have any freezing issues with my current card though.
     
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  17. MJay27

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    The Sapphire Card is the only Alternative considering such crap manufacturers like PowerColor and Club 3D. I bought a PowerColor HD3850 AGP card first but it had a major hardware failure and i heard of much more users having issues with it to. Maybe the GeCube card will be good also beneath the Sapphire one.

    But everyone should stay away from the Club 3D AGP3850 and especially the crappy PowerColor one.
     
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  19. evolucion888

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    Jum, I didn't know that, seems that Powercolor has lowered it's standards considerably, I used to have a Powercolor Radeon 9700 which I flashed to PRO and never gave me any issues, it worked for 3 years without a hitch until I sold it to a friend who put it on a broken AGP port and burnt it loll, works only when it feels like.

    The cooler used on the Sapphire HD 3850 AGP is the same used on the HD 3870 PCI-e, so it should be allright, which are your temperature readings under load and idle? I''m so tempted to buy one of those, specially if they run cooler, my X1950XT is a monster in power consumption and heat generation.
     
  20. MJay27

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    Okay I ran the test at 1280x1024 and got 8215 Points. It´s lower due to the higher resolution.

    But I always played games at the 1024x768 resolution that´s why for me this is the resolution to compare with 3DMark2006.
     

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