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Discussion in 'RivaTuner Advanced Discussion forum' started by Unwinder, Sep 17, 2007.

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Unwinder Ancient Guru Staff Member

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erocker said: ↑

Yeah, I'm having the same problem. The fan control still works, but I can no longer overclock just like exzeth said.
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Warning for newbie, you've just asked documented question

Answered in sticky thread

Unwinder, Sep 18, 2007

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crazyace1303 said: ↑

i move slider hit apply and it returns to 25 percent
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I'm currently in the office and have no 2900XT installed here, so I'll be able to verify it only in the everning.
Which duty cycle value are you trying to set? Duty cycle adjustment step it granular on 2900 family, the next possible value after 25% is 31%. So if you try to make small adjustment (e.g. 25->27) then it is supposed to be reverted to default speed.

Unwinder, Sep 18, 2007

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nope....

your newbie warning guide didn't solve anything.

what bugs me is, i can OC all day in XP, get into vista with new drivers and new riva tuner, can't do $h*t!.

been reading the FAQ, and every help file it comes with., nothing has shed any light on why this isn't working.

but thanks anyway.

exzeth, Sep 18, 2007

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Unwinder Ancient Guru Staff Member

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exzeth

Newbie thread you've been redirected to clearly says the following, don't tell me that you have not seen it:

So if you’ve been redirected here, I can recommend you to try the following:

1) Read context sensitive help for the options related to your question. To do it either right-click desired option or click [?] button in the window caption and point desired option.

Note: RivaTuner's built-in context sensitive help is not available under Vista by default. You must download and install WinHlp32 update from Microsoft website to get it working.

2) Read documentation and FAQ supplied with RivaTuner. You can find the link to documentation right in your Start menu in RivaTuner’s application folder. If you are new to RivaTuner or new to a feature related to your question, then it would be good idea to start from reading “System requirements”, “Features” and “Known issues” sections. If you used RivaTuner before but noticed something strange in new release, try to examine the “Revision history” section, which documents all the changes in details. And don’t forget to peek in “FAQ” section or simply use documentation search feature, which can help you to find info by keywords.
3) There is huge knowledge base in the forum and most likely your question was already asked many times in the past, so try to use forum search function and don’t forget to read sticky threads, which often contain useful info (for example, all open issues related to the latest released version are usually collected in the sticky thread dedicated to it).
4) Finally, you may ignore these steps and patiently wait until somebody besides me gives you the answer.

However, I strongly don’t recommend you to:

1) Try to start personal discussions using provocative phrases like “Where is the support? I don’t want to read anything, just I need the answer, is it so hard to help me?”.
2) Ignore the steps mentioned in my recommendations above and claim that you’ve read everything but there is no answer.

I fairly warn you that both of these actions will result in closing your thread and depending of your tone you also risk to lose your account.

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And your question is more than directly addressed in sticky thread describing specifics of new shader domain overclocking techniques in 163.67+ drivers:

Currently Vista driver puts some limitations on ROP/shader domain clocks ratio you’re allowed to set. Most likely they are hardware clock generator architecture related and hardware simply cannot work (or cannot work stable) when domain clocks are too asynchronous. For example, on my 8800GTX the driver simply refuses to set the clocks with shader/ROP ratio within 1.0 – 2.0 range (default ratio is 1350/575 = 2.34), but it accepts the clocks programmed with ratio within 2.3 – 2.5 range. Considering that the driver no longer changes domain clocks synchronically and all o/c tools (RT 2.03, ATITool, nTuner, PowerStrip) currently change ROP clock only, that results in rather interesting effect: you won’t be able to adjust ROP clock as high as before. Once it gets too far from (or too close to) shader clock and shader/ROP clock ratio is out of range – the driver refuses to set such clock. Many of you already noticed this effect, seeing that the driver simply stops increasing ROP clock after a certain dead point with 163.67."
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I was not joking and written that warning thread for newbies not just for fun. I'm not gonna waste any single second on lazy persons visiting techsupport. And you have all chances to be the very first newbie leaving from this subforum due to ignoring rules. So don't feel offence, you're warned, I strongly don't recommend you to post anything else like that in RT subforum or you'll get your deserved "medal". And I warn everyone once againg, I won't make any more warnings. If you absolutely don't respect my time and ignore everything I tell you - don't expect good attitude from my side and forget about RT forum.

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Unwinder, Sep 18, 2007

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Well done !

This version works perfectly with Forceware 163.69, and no need for tricks to make it work under Vista64 anymore!
Thank you very much

PaulvH, Sep 18, 2007

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Unwinder said: ↑

I'm currently in the office and have no 2900XT installed here, so I'll be able to verify it only in the everning.
Which duty cycle value are you trying to set? Duty cycle adjustment step it granular on 2900 family, the next possible value after 25% is 31%. So if you try to make small adjustment (e.g. 25->27) then it is supposed to be reverted to default speed.
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Well, I've just came back to home and reproduced the problem. I was experimenting with alternate I2C access protocol for ATI R600 family in 2.04 and sadly I've completely forgot to uncomment original I2C write code in final build. There are two ways to fix it:

1) Enable experimental R600 I2C access layer. This can be done via PowerUser tab by setting ATII2CAccessModeR6xx entry to 1 then restarting RivaTuner. Please take a note that experimental access layer is much slower than original (old) one.
So I2C operations (e.g. detecting default fan controller settings) will take much more time when it is enabled.

2) Fix 2.04 executable to uncomment old R600 I2C write protocol implementation. This can be done by creating a patch script (plain text file with .rts extension) with the following contents:

[Common]
SrcFile = RivaTuner.exe
DstFile = RivaTuner.new
BakFile = RivaTuner.old

Src0 = D1 E8 FF 75 1C 8B CE
Dst0 = 90 90 FF 75 1C 8B CE

After creating this file you may open it with RivaTuner and apply it to installed 2.04 executable. It will generate RivaTuner.new file in the application folder. Then you can simply close RT, remove original RivaTuner.exe and rename RivaTuner.new to RivaTuner.exe.

Please take these 2 ways are mutually exclusive and after patching you cannot use ATII2CAccessModeR6xx = 1 and must set this entry to 0 or remove it from the registry.

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Unwinder, Sep 18, 2007

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can u further advise me unwinder?

how do i make an rts file and what do i exactly do?

plz help i want this to work lol

and are thos spaces between the letters and the = sign?

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TyrantofJustice, Sep 18, 2007

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Just create a text file called blablabla.rts with notepad, copy that text to it then open that file from Windows explorer. But if it is too hard for you - I'd strongly recommend to start from way #1 (ATII2CAcessModeR6xx = 1). It is way more easy for beginners.

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Unwinder, Sep 18, 2007

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crazyace1303 said: ↑

how do i make an rts file and what do i exactly do?

plz help i want this to work lol
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did you read the text in brackets?? ("plain text file with .rts extension")
start->programs->accessories->notepad
copy and paste the text unwinder quoted
file->save as enter whatever.rts as the filename

sam3000, Sep 18, 2007

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Unwinder said: ↑

Yes. The alpha version you've got lack this features:

- Improved race condition preventing algorithm in the hooking system. New algorithm improves compatibility with multithreaded rendering engines (e.g. Bioshock) calling frame presentation routine concurrently from different threads.

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Thanks unwinder, that is particularly helpful as I am playing Bioshock heavily right now!

Btw, love the newbie sticky

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sorry unwinder and other useres

i really wanted to do this the harder way as to learn something

i opened notepad and pasted in the info from the word common down to the rest of the gibberish

i then saved as .rts file

i moved to desktop and ran it and nothing

i went to drive c programs rivea tuner and istanned there and nothing
i installed in the same location but into the riva exe and nothing

no .new file appeared

so now i try the poweruser tab and i cannot find the place i should be in power user

i am dumb at this great tool and i only use it for monitoring and to set fan speed which i need to do

so if someone has patience and can teach me or draw me a tutorial detaild of eithwer way to do it,prefered first way

also i would need to know where in reg to go to change the value of the one key

ty and sorry,but i love to learn these things

TyrantofJustice, Sep 18, 2007

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crazyace1303 said: ↑

i really wanted to do this the harder way as to learn something

i opened notepad and pasted in the info from the word common down to the rest of the gibberish

i then saved as .rts file

i moved to desktop and ran it and nothing

i went to drive c programs rivea tuner and istanned there and nothing
i installed in the same location but into the riva exe and nothing

no .new file appeared

so now i try the poweruser tab and i cannot find the place i should be in power user

i am dumb at this great tool and i only use it for monitoring and to set fan speed which i need to do

so if someone has patience and can teach me or draw me a tutorial detaild of eithwer way to do it,prefered first way

also i would need to know where in reg to go to change the value of the one key

ty and sorry,but i love to learn these things
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You need to turn off hidden file extensions so that you can rename the file with a .rts extension. Otherwise it will just save as name.rts.txt which is just a text file.

Gamergod, Sep 18, 2007

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crazyace1303 said: ↑

so now i try the poweruser tab and i cannot find the place i should be in power user
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Open PowerUser tab, expand RivaTuner\System node (the very first node). ATII2CAccessModeR6xx is the very first value in the node you've expanded. Double click it and enter 1, press Enter to add value to registry then simply restart RivaTuner.

Unwinder, Sep 19, 2007

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Hi Unwinder,

there seems to be some problem with 8800GTS, Forceware 163.67 and Vista x64. I tried the overclocking utility and the shaderclock ratio, and by looking at Graphics subsystem diagnostic report all seems working fine. However, either Rivatuner hardware monitor and Nvidia monitor reports clock frequencies are not being changed, and benchmark tests confirm this.

Further infos:

- I change clock for all three domains (standard 2D, low power 3D, performance 3D),
- I permanently disabled driver signing via BCD (bcdedit -set loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS )

best regards,

Blade9722
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Actually, I did read the sticky thread about new shaderclock setting, and I tried different valuse: -1 (which means "deafult"),1,1.5,2,2.32,2.5, without luck. i also tried either small changes in ROP clock, not only great ones.

I futher investigated, the problem seems related only to SLI. After re-initilializing overclock engine with GPU single configuration, I fopund out it was working flawlessly, even shaderclock. However, when i reverted back to SLi configuration, the result was this:

Again, I changed clock for all three frequency domains (standard 2D, Low power 3D, Performance 3D).
As you can see, while RivaTuner reports clock changes are applied, Nvidia Monitor reports no change occurred. Unfortunately, benchmark tests confirm the right one is Nvidia Monitor. Perhaps this is due to the fact you're changing only master VGA clocks, if I remeber well SLI uses the minimum clock values between the two cards.

If you need me to perform some other test, don't hesitate to ask me.

Best regards

Blade9722

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So sorry if this is asked already or not, but i can't find anywhere if the ATi R600 series are supported or not. I'm willing to give RivaTuner a try and if allowed want to bundle it with the DNA-ATi drivers. So don't forward this to the NEWB topic but please answer it Unwinder if possible. AtiTray Tools doesn't support the R600 cores at all and RivaTuner seems like a nice program that could enhance the DNA-ATi drivers experiance if allowed. I could also (if you want) help with beta testing with the DNA-drivers Aplha testers on a wide range of ATi cards.

Kind regards.
KillerSneak

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blade9722 said: ↑

Monitor reports no change occurred. Unfortunately, benchmark tests confirm the right one is Nvidia Monitor. Perhaps this is due to the fact you're changing only master VGA clocks, if I remeber well SLI uses the minimum clock values between the two cards.
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Try to peek in documentation, Known issues section. It clearly says:

- Currently RivaTuner doesn't support SLI overclocking under Vista.

And I've repeted the same thing in the forums a lot of times!

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KillerSneak said: ↑

So sorry if this is asked already or not, but i can't find anywhere if the at R600 series are supported or not. I'm willing to give RivaTuner a try and if allowed want to bundle it with the DNA-ATi drivers. So don't forward this to the NEWB topic but please answer it Unwinder if possible. AtiTray Tools doesn't support the R600 cores at all and RivaTuner seems like a nice program that could enhance the DNA-ATi drivers experiance if allowed. I could also (if you want) help with beta testing with the DNA-drivers Aplha testers on a wide range of ATi cards.

Kind regards.
KillerSneak
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Yes, it supports R600 family since 01.07.2007 when v2.02 was announced. However, I dislike the idea of integrating RT into any driver packs, sorry.

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Unwinder said: ↑

Try to peek in documentation, Known issues section. It clearly says:

- Currently RivaTuner doesn't support SLI overclocking under Vista.

And I've repeted the same thing in the forums a lot of times!
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You're right, Sorry for having bothered you.

blade9722, Sep 19, 2007

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Created the rts file as per the instructions up above, put the rts file in the rivatuner installation folder and run the file.

A window pops up with things like patch script discription and patch script log, when i click on continue nothing happens, in the patch script log window it says.

Browsing for file RinaTuner.exe... cancelled.

Thats it, the *.rts file is located in the same folder as the rinatuner.exe file so should see it fine.

Any ideas ?

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When you click continue and start the patch script you should _point_ installed RivaTuner.exe file.
2900XT owners, you make me scared. Don't try to go harder way if it is too complex for you. Use PowerUser approach.

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