Next Generation NVIDIA Ampere reportedly to offer 50% more perf at half the power

Of course, from past bullsh#t Nvidia marketing, a 'performance' description is never limited to rasterisation - expect RT cores etc to make up the bulk of this.

The big, and only, issue for the vast percentage of consumers is pricing (/performance): Ngreedia has, unfortunately, already raised that bar to pathetic levels (particularly for the 1080/Ti owners) using multiple broken RTX promises. While I'm sure AMD's rDNA2 will ultimately be capable of delivering 2080Ti performance at least, and be 'priced aggressively', I think it's unlikely they'll give up on this pricing opportunity though I might be wrong, since...
Competition is good AMD have already proven with Intel - literally forcing Intel to slash current and future pricing by up to half. Can AMD do the same with Nvidia? rDNA2's much larger die size puts it out of any wafer/yield comparison with Zen2(3...4...) and, we have significant power issues. Interesting times ahead.

 

50% perf inc with 50 % the power budget sounds great. Buuuuut ..the wording is way to vague no specific so all we can do is be optimistic

 

So 100% performance at 100% power?Then we want 100% performance.

 

Highly doubt Nvidia would risk shrinking their market share with drastic price jumps as some claim ($2000 not gonna happen). The new consoles due out this year will be ready to cater to the masses of disgruntled PC gamers easily, including myself.

 

I don't care about Greta Thunberg.

Bring more speed and even more.

Power consumption is for socialists

 

so how many fps from 50% performance increase ?

 

Yes hopefully powerful next gen consoles, especially XSX, will adjust PC component prices that are getting out of hand. Die hard PC purists will of course still keep buying most expensive hardware. But other people who just want to play games and don't particularly care about piece of plastic that runs games will just buy a console that will play games at 4K 60FPS with some form of raytracing.

Everyone thinks that Nvidia competes with AMD, but actually, in 2020 Nvidia will compete with AMD and with MS/Sony consoles.

 

For those of you saying this is possible or that Nvidia has done this before, no, that's not true. The claim is 50% more performance at half the power. That hasn't been done. What I think is completely reasonable is a 25% performance improvement (particularly with raytracing) and a 25% decrease in power consumption, and, not solely because of going to 7nm. EDIT: So, a 50% increase in total efficiency is something I think would make more sense.

I would argue there is a benefit. Consumers aren't particularly interested in the 2000 series; those who bought into it did so because there isn't really a better alternative, but the series is underwhelming and doesn't convince people raytracing is worth the extra price tag. There is an actual need/demand for better graphics performance, and Nvidia is smart to not just wait for AMD (or Intel, at this point) to catch up. AMD might not be competing at the high end, but that's not where most of the sales are made.
The only reason Ampere might not be beneficial is if the price tag goes up 50%.

 

I'm not sure why people are surprised with this news. Its inline with what we have seen in the past with new architectures and a full node shrink on the process side. Heck 50% is even on the lower end what we have seen ie the 1070. Im ignoring the power side of things because honestly for a rumor I'm just discounting it

It is just a rumor so only time will tell but 40-50% doesn't seem unreasonable at all. AMD left a ton of performance on the table by going with a small 255mm^2 die for Navi vs Nvidia's 775mm^2 die size for the 2080ti. I fully expect big Navi to outperform the 2080ti, well excluding ray tracing. Should hopefully be an interesting year for GPU's for once in a long damn time.

 

Maybe they'll seperate out the RT cores into a seperate chip and have the traditional rendering chip on another - that way you don't need a massive single piece of silicon (which is expensive). I have no idea if this is feasible, I suppose the connections between the two chips would have to be 'enough' to transfer information without causing bottlenecks.

 

1.5 fps if you had 1 fps before - that rocks!

 

Yep. Kepler > Maxwell > Pascal were all more than 50% perf gain.

 

It was easier in the past with technology taking big leaps. Things are actually worse in the GPU world than in the CPU world, in this sense. As far as mainstream goes, monolithic CPUs were still quite small compared to GPUs, yet AMD only changed the market by pulling off the MCM. Nvidia has been quite brazen with increasing the die size, and while 7nm can theoretically help them do it again, I wonder if they are willing. Of course aside from the professional side, where they can charge $10k for a card.

 

--> the 2080Ti was a "decent upgrade" ??? peddle much??

 

I don't think it's just diehard PC purists. K&M is hard to switch away from once you ditch the controller. I'd probably buy a console and be happy with a graphics downgrade if proper K&M support was added by all devs. Just something to think about. I can't play a shooter anymore with a controller. Just too slow and clunky.

 

Not buying it, maybe 15% but there is no way it's going to be 50%
Besides that, who in their right mind would support these price gouging asshats?

 

Seeing is believing

I would take a regular 3080 this time around, 650€ max k. tnx bye.

 

Milking it is the same losing strategy Intel used, and now look where they are at... If Intel kept ramping up core counts AMD would have NEVER caught up, and even Ryzen1 would have been laughed at. Instead Ryzen1 was revolutionary for bringing 8c/16t to the masses (even if it lagged behind single thread), and now Ryzen4000 looks to completely take the performance crown from Intel in ALL areas.
AMD is working on moving to 7nm+ (EUV) with their GPUs and that could make a massive difference, especially since AMD is pulling in serious money now thanks to the success of Zen, so have more R&D money to properly compete with nvidia. Nvidia would be stupid to underestimate AMD right now.

 

maybe you'll stop posting this foolishness.

 

I really appreciate this article. And this speculative statement: "Perhaps they figure that slicing the production fabrication in half can double up transistors and this here is where that 50% perf is coming from." This is certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

Also, "performance" can entail things that at the end of the day, mean very little to the average gamer. And for me, as a gamer, that's what guides my GPU purchases. So with that said; I am really, really looking forward to Hilbert's excellent reviews on this up-coming video card - I know, I know, it's still a ways off yet!