New Upcoming ATI/AMD GPU's Thread: Leaks, Hopes & Aftermarket GPU's

we'll find out when we have cards in hands of reviewers.

 

Samsung and AMD could power Nintendo's Switch successor

Samsung's graphics partnership with AMD is set to deliver great things, bringing the power of AMD's RDNA graphics architecture to the masses alongside Samsung's powerful Exynos series of mobile chips.

When Nintendo attempts to replace its Switch console, the company will likely opt to create a new handheld/home console hybrid.
While sourcing chips from Nvidia will be an option for the company, Nvidia's minimal efforts on consumer-grade ARM products leaves them in a position where they might not be able to create silicon that's sufficiently "next-gen" enough for Nintendo's next console, at least on the CPU side.

Nvidia hasn't updated their Shield tablet line with new silicon since their Tegra K1, which contains a Kepler-based graphics chip, while their Shield TV series of components has not been enhanced with updated chips than their Maxwell-based Tegra X1, the same chip the Switch uses. As it stands, if Nintendo wanted to create a next-generation Switch console, Nvidia doesn't have a new off-the-shelf SoC to sell them, a factor which will force Nintendo to look at alternative suppliers.
This is where AMD's partnership with Samsung comes in.

Last week, AMD and Samsung entered a strategic punishment which was designed to deliver "low-power, high performance" graphics tech to the masses, merging AMD's RDNA graphics with Samsung's already capable ARM SoCs.
Together, both companies plan to deliver "groundbreaking graphics products", though this deal will take years to start bearing fruit.

While AMD has made ARM processors in the past, their focus with ARM was never on mobile platforms, making the mobile market an area which is practically inaccessible to the company.
While AMD's new Zen 2 series of x86 processors are incredibly efficient, ARM-based CPUs are still the leaders of the mobile market, which means that AMD either needs to invest in ARM components or find a partner that can handle the ARM side for them.
In this regard, Samsung is an ideal partner for AMD, as it enabled the company to get its graphics components into more areas of the market and secures additional funding for future GPU developments.

 

AMD Navi Radeon Display Engine and Multimedia Engine Detailed

Two of the often overlooked components of a new graphics architecture are the I/O and multimedia capabilities.
With its Radeon RX 5700-series "Navi 10" graphics processor, AMD gave the two their first major update in over two years, with the new Radeon Display Engine, and Radeon Multimedia Engine.
The Display Engine is a hardware component that handles the graphics card's physical display I/O.
The Radeon Multimedia Engine is a set of fixed-function hardware that provides CODEC-specific acceleration to offload your CPU.

The Navi Radeon Display Engine features an updated DisplayPort 1.4 HDR implementation that's capable of handling 8K displays at 60 Hz with a single cable.
It can also handle 4K UHD at 240 Hz with a single cable. These also include HDR and 10-bit color. It achieves this by implementing DSC 1.2a (Display Stream Compression).
The display controller also supports 30 bpp internal color-depth. The HDMI implementation remains HDMI 2.0. The multi-plane overlay protocol (MPO) implementation now supports a low-power mode.
This should, in theory, reduce the GPU's power draw when idling or playing back video.

The Radeon Multimedia Engine is updated with support for more CODECs. The "Navi 10" GPU provides hardware-acceleration for decoding VP9 video at formats of up to 4K @ 90 fps (frames per second), or 8K @ 24 fps.
The H.265 HEVC implementation is more substantial, with hardware-accelerated encoding of 4K at frame-rates of up to 60 fps.
H.265 HEVC decoding is accelerated at 8K @ 24 fps, and 4K @ 90 fps, and 1080p at up to 360 fps. H.264 MPEG4 encoding gets a boost of 4K @ 150 fps, and 1080p @ 600 fps decoding; and 4K @ 90 fps and 1080p @ 150 fps encoding.

Spoiler: Slides

 

eh?

nvidia has pascal and volta based tegra products nintendo can use - and nintendo is already suggested to be working them into Switch refreshes.

nintendo's toolset is opengl based, i strongly doubt they will go to a vendor who has inferior opengl and break switch backwards compatibility.

 

Mind you AMD drivers might be shiet on opengl sure on windows. But the hardware mostly isn't any more inferior in that sense. AMD seems to do quite fine on linux when it comes to open sauce drivers and opengl. And ps4 uses opengl being one of the points.
For sure Nintendo would get more powerful package from amd as total but not as energy efficient as ARM setup is and I think that ARM is the reason why they won't go x86 since it would make things harder for them.

 

New GFX1011 (Navi 14) / GFX1012 Targets Appear In AMDGPU LLVM Compiler Backend

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These two GFX ID branches that appeared in AMDGPU LLVM compiler back-end are likely whatever comes next after RX5700, they also show the first signs of Ray Tracing and can be seen here.

KOMACHI on twitter shows a few more details, including the PCI ID associated with NAVI14 (GFX1012 is hidden).


The branches can be seen here: https://github.com/llvm-mirror/llvm/commit/eaed96ae3e5c8a17350821ae39318c70200adaf0


Source:
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=GFX1011-GFX1012-AMDGPU-LLVM​

 

^^ "Skalping AMD Fans"
Now think about gaining market share (and mind share) if it goes for 349€ instead of 449€
We talking about Mid-Range (should be up to 299€ IMhO) then and only then they will gain market share.

Note:
My next GPU '2020' will be with Ray-Tracing (no matter the vendor )

 

The price is a fail (ish) if the card is really a "7" and 8 and/or 9 is on the way... I wont bet on it, but i hope once nvidia releases the "super" cards, AMD will cut prices again under 400 (ideal under 350 for the X).

Maybe the 450 are just a bait lul

 

Watch AdoredTV -> He make some prognosis about costs etc.

 

Watch AdoredTV if you like being mislead.

 

It's Leaks YT, don't You have Bag of salt?

 

To be honest. It hardly matters if person deals with rumors. Especially if one speculates on cost of components used in product as there you can make as good guess too after an hour on google.
While AMD has space to reduce prices of 5700 (XT), they should not do it unless needed. Their much smaller market share requires higher margins to recoup price of tape-out and development.
That's one of reasons why AMD does not make 5 different Navi chips like you can see in green camp.

 

It's still overpriced.... (nV Gauged prices to the roof and ATI jumped in into it without a blink' - that's not cool for the Fan Base)

 

After hair thin margins in last 6 months with Polaris, AMD's division needs it.
5700 (XT) costs like $240 to make. Potentially commanding profit of $210/135 of entire production/supply chain. What do you think is investment into Navi and then tape-out?
What does it cost to develop something over last 4 years?
Total cost to deliver 1st Navi may be $1.5 ~ 2.5B or twice as high.
Yes, there are going to be many more based on RDNA. But take just this and how many GPUs AMD needs to sell to recoup this.

No reason to like it, but it is simple to understand.

 

Hmm, maby You're right.
But according to some other calculations cost to sell is (no margins at all) ~135-150 USD
$30-50 Chip
$10-20 Blower
~$15 Board
~$35-50 GDDR6

IMO the are preparing for Price war against nV
We don't know for sure, but $449 for Mid range is waay too much.

And initial sales will be low as hell, because of it.
For $349 this can sell like hotcakes.. Just sain'

You can save my opinion for End of summer -> Massive promos for Navi will come
and sales go forward (let us hope it will not be too late, ---> 2070/2060 w/RTX and Vega64/56)
IMhO it's still BIG Mistake by RTG, and it will slap them hard.

Note:
We need more DX12 capable H/W in the hands of MAJORITY (read: up to 300€)

 

AMD uses 14Gbps chips, 2k of them will result in $11 per 1GB. Even with additional 40% discount on very high quantity will make it more expensive than estimation above.
More realistically 8GB will be like $60~70.
Similar underestimating of cost is elsewhere, ignoring SMDs like VRMs. And thinking that 251mm^2 on 7nm will be under $50 while it will be more like $90~100.

 

Yup, maby it is closer.
Who knows, wait until end of summer then
Im more into Arcurus HBM3 or RTX 3080 now....

 

They may need that pricing... but they also need to SELL those cards at that price point. I dont think they will gain any market share if nvidia a his "super" line up come close to 5700 (xt) price.

Maybe they get more net income selling less at higher price but you need to add some brand awareness in the user base to that mix, without market share or reviewers pushing sales on 5700 AMD wont be better 6 months from now.