New Upcoming ATI/AMD GPU's Thread: Leaks, Hopes & Aftermarket GPU's

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    -> https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/dxr-library-subobjects/

    New in D3D12 – DirectX Raytracing (DXR) now supports library subobjects

    In the next update to Windows, codenamed 19H1, developers can specify DXR state subobjects inside a DXIL library.
    This provides an easier, flexible, and modular way of defining raytracing state, removing the need for repetitive boilerplate C++ code.
    This usability improvement was driven by feedback from early adopters of the API, so thanks to all those who took the time to share your experiences with us !

    The D3D12RaytracingLibrarySubobjects sample illustrates using library subobjects in an application.

    What are library subobjects?
    Library subobjects are a way to configure raytracing pipeline state by defining subobjects directly within HLSL shader code.
    The following subobjects can be compiled from HLSL into a DXIL library:

    • D3D12_STATE_SUBOBJECT_TYPE_STATE_OBJECT_CONFIG
    • D3D12_STATE_SUBOBJECT_TYPE_GLOBAL_ROOT_SIGNATURE
    • D3D12_STATE_SUBOBJECT_TYPE_LOCAL_ROOT_SIGNATURE
    • D3D12_STATE_SUBOBJECT_TYPE_SUBOBJECT_TO_EXPORTS_ASSOCIATION
    • D3D12_STATE_SUBOBJECT_TYPE_RAYTRACING_SHADER_CONFIG
    • D3D12_STATE_SUBOBJECT_TYPE_RAYTRACING_PIPELINE_CONFIG
    • D3D12_STATE_SUBOBJECT_TYPE_HIT_GROUP
    A library subobject is identified by a string name, and can be exported from a library or existing collection in a similar fashion to how shaders are exported using D3D12_EXPORT_DESC.
    Library subobjects also support renaming while exporting from libraries or collections. Renaming can be used to avoid name collisions, and to promote subobject reuse.
     
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    AMD Navi 20 GPU Allegedly Supports Ray Tracing and Enhanced nGCN Graphics Architecture – May End Up Being Much Faster Than RTX 2080 Ti

    We are still a few months away from getting our first official look at AMD’s new Navi GPU based graphics cards but it looks like we have some new details coming in from the rumor mill.
    There have been many reports recently about AMD’s Navi GPU based Radeon RX graphics cards that could be launching in the second half of 2019 and while they are aimed at the more budget-tier audience, details of a second Navi GPU which is aimed at the enthusiast tier have been revealed by RedGamingTech.

    AMD Navi 20 GPU To Be Featured on Enthusiast Grade Gaming Graphics Cards, Features
    Enhanced nGCN Architecture and Ray Tracing Performance Equivalent or Faster Than an RTX 2080 Ti

    Now the details that are mentioned are broken into two parts, one is for the initial AMD Navi cards that utilize the Navi 10 GPU architecture and the second is for the high-end, enthusiast grade parts that would feature the Navi 20 GPU.
    According to RedGamingTech, the details were acquired from sources who have been very accurate in the past as per their claim.

    The details say that before Raja Koduri, AMD’s ex-head of Radeon Technologies Group, left the company, one of his major tasks was to fix many of the weaknesses in the GCN architecture.
    The reason to do this was to let AMD RTG focus on both, producing a next-gen architecture while working on GCN iterations to remain competitive against NVIDIA GeForce and Quadro lineups.
    Now we have seen that this strategy worked well for AMD in the mainstream market but their flagship products weren’t necessarily the best or to make it simple, king of the hill products that AMD wanted them to be but rather side options to NVIDIA’s enthusiast offerings.

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    AMD’s new roadmap is for the entire RADEON brand (including the professional Instinct series) and very tentative in nature.
    The reason why Vega didn’t live up to the hype was that when Raja joined RTG, the design of the Vega GPU was very much completed and there was little he could do.
    The actual goal for Raja was to work on Navi GPUs which would still be based on the existing GCN architecture but further refined through fixes to let’s say, the geometry engine, as reported by RedGamingTech.
    Now it is possible and very likely that AMD had finished the design for Navi much before Raja left RTG.
    But what happens to Navi when it goes into the development phase, that’s something we are really close to finding out now as rumors are alleging a launch of the first Navi based Radeon RX cards in mid of 2019.

    AMD Navi 20, Here’s What The Rumors Have To Say About AMD’s Next-Gen Enthusiast GPU

    So starting off with the Navi 20 details, we first have the alleged Ray Tracing support and to be honest,
    I think it’s very likely that AMD would introduce their own take on Ray Tracing, especially when Crytek recently demoed their first ray tracing demo based on their CRYENGINE on an AMD Radeon RX Vega 56 graphics card.
    AMD would like to support Microsoft’s DXR API and provide a more open-source ray tracing feature support as they have done so with many other technologies in the past, e.g. TressFX, Freesync, OpenCL.

    It is also said that the internal ray tracing performance estimates look really good and AMD Navi 20 GPUs may end up being competitive or even faster than the competing NVIDIA GeForce RTX cards (Navi 20 flagship vs GeForce RTX 2080 Ti).
    It is also stated that HPC or datacenter cards based on the Navi GPU architecture would be very different compared to consumer parts.
    They are likely to feature a more custom SOC oriented design, slightly similar to what NVIDIA does with their top end Tesla parts.

    Other than that, we are hearing reports that AMD Navi GPUs may introduce features such as Variable Rate Shading which would be available across the Navi architecture.
    We have also seen various reports which indicate that Navi GPUs would be the underlying graphics architecture of next-generation consoles from Sony and Microsoft so looks like Navi,
    while being the last GCN based GPU architecture, might end up capturing multiple markets for AMD and be competitive at the same time.

    Note:
    IMO it will be post GCN (or next-gen) uArch, not GCN or like Vega nGCN or just Navi.
    It must be Scalable, new node = more cores ;) less tW + more perf.
    Or chiplet like 3D/2D Stacked GPU/VRAM for small area and more Power, all connected by IF.
    Navi will be small chip (Up to 200nm) that's why they can Price it aggresively low.
    Vega56 like performance for 149$ :eek:

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    In simple words -> Why AMD/ATI for Stadia by Google

     
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    On par with the 2080TI (2018) with Navi 20 (2020)... great to see AMD fail once again, next xx80Ti will be 2000€ lol
     
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    AC: Oddysey in VLK on PC possible?
    Yes :p (All Ultra High and easy +xx FPS on Vega?)

     
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    Soon we will know what Navi is :D

    COMPUTEX 2019 continues its position of Building Global Technology Ecosystems from May 28 - June 1, 2019

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    AMD to Simultaneously Launch 3rd Gen Ryzen and Unveil Radeon "Navi" This June

    TAITRA, the governing body behind the annual Computex trade-show held in Taipei each June, announced that AMD CEO Dr. Lisa Su will host a keynote address which promises to be as exciting as her CES keynote.
    It is revealed that Dr. Su will simultaneously launch or unveil at least four product lines.
    High up the agenda is AMD's highly anticipated 3rd generation Ryzen desktop processors in the socket AM4 package, based on "Zen 2" microarchitecture, and a multi-chip module (MCM) codenamed "Matisse."
    This launch could be followed up by a major announcement related to the company's 2nd generation EPYC enterprise processors based on the "Rome" MCM.

    PC enthusiasts are in for a second major announcement, this time from RTG, with a technical reveal or unveiling of Radeon "Navi," the company's first GPU designed from the ground up for the 7 nm silicon fabrication process.
    It remains to be seen which market-segment AMD targets with the first "Navi" products, and the question on everyone's minds, whether AMD added DXR acceleration, could be answered.
    Lastly, the company could announce more variants of its Radeon Instinct DNN accelerators.
     
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    So they're announcing that they will announce Navi in June...?

    Hopefully some actual launch dates.
     
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    this is April 1 post or not
     
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    Almost the same as AdoredTV Leaks from December ;)
    Im not sure about Navi66+ but i know that ATI/AMD experimenting now with 3D stacking....
    So it's possible that Big Navi is just like Thread Ripper for CPUs, on one interposer 2x or more small chips.

    Closer to Computex the more leaks we will have.
     
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    I'd love that to be true, but everything I have read says multi chip GPU stacking is still years away.
     
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    IMO not initially, but in Time sure...That's why Big Navi is 2020 chip.
     
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    GPD Win 2

    Back in December 2017, HEXUS reported upon the GPD Win 2 handheld release and benchmarks. This device was the successor to the original GPD Win with a faster modern processor, double the RAM, faster more capacious storage and a bigger screen. Now we have seen some early details of a further improved device dubbed the GPD Win 2 Max, with details via Liliputing and Reddit.

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    The GPD Win 2 (pictured above) was marketed as a handheld gaming PC and relied upon an Intel processor for its processing and pixel pushing duties. The Intel Core M3-7Y30 Kaby Lake with Intel HD Graphics 615 was a significant upgrade compared to the previous generation, and GPD showed off a comparative gaming frame rate chart to back this up, as reproduced below.

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    I look forward to an update to this chart featuring the GPD Win 2 Max

    Much of the HEXUS discussion with regard to the GPD Win 2 was about how well the device would work if it came packing an AMD APU instead. The GPD Win 2's Intel Core m3-7Y30 processor is configurable between 3.75 and 7W TDP, which lead to questions about what AMD APU could be substituted. By the sounds of the reports/leaks we are seeing, GPD has thrown caution to the wind and has chosen an APU with configurable TDP from 15 to 30W. Hopefully such a jump would be accompanied by a bigger battery (or batteries) too.

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    In addition to the change of the processor, other significant changes indicated by the rumour mill are; the inclusion of a GPD Pocket-style keyboard for a better typing experience, a quieter dual-fan cooler (pictured above), and a slightly higher resolution display of 1280 x 800 pixels.
     
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    AMD Navi Preliminary Support Added To HWINFO As AMD Gears Up For Launch

    Looks like AMD is finally gearing up for the launch of the anxiously anticipated Navi GPU.
    Before the launch of any major silicon product, device IDs are generated and preliminary support for these is added to testing, benchmarking and detection tools
    – one of which is HWINFO. In a recent change-log, the tool has added preliminary support for AMD Navi – an indicator that the GPU is finally ready to launch and that its machine IDs have been finalized.

    AMD’s Navi GPU, the first non-GCN GPU, is ready for launch
    NAVI GPU is a very special GPU, in fact, it is slated to be the first graphics card from AMD that will not be made on the GCN macro-architecture.
    This is something that I was told in my talks with AMD insiders more than a year back – the same people who told me that NAVI is not landing before 2H 2019.
    While we have no idea what specs AMD will decide to go with, we do know this will be the first GPU architecture capable of breaking the 4096 SP limit imposed by the GCN macro arch.
    This is exciting stuff because it will put AMD back in the GPU game.

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    That said, it would make sense for the company to start off slow and with mainstream segment cards rather than the high end one.
    In fact, I have been told that one of the earliest SKUs will have just 40 CUs – which translate to a core count of 2560 SP IF the CU to SP ratio is the same as GCN (of which there is no confirmation as of yet).
    If that is the case then we are looking at a performance metric that will go up against the GTX1660 Ti/RTX 2070 class of cards – which is really the most profitable and voluminous segment.

    We are also pretty sure that AMD will be launching the Navi GPU very soon (more on this soon, stay tuned) which is why if you are someone who is still on an old RX 480/580, wait just a little bit longer and you will have the perfect card to upgrade too.
    AMD has taken its merry time with the GPU segment and its clear that they are in no rush.
    Navi will be a new microarchitecture and the same IP that powers the succeeding Navi die.

    THX to WCCF
     
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    AMD Holding Partners Summit On April 23 – 7nm and Navi On The Agenda

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    So I had a short follow up that I wanted to share with everyone. AMD is switching into gear as it prepares for the launch of its 7nm Ryzen parts.
    We have learned that certain partners and AIBs will have a lot of information revealed to them at a Partners Summit that is happening around April 23 later this month. I am told that 7nm chips and Navi are on the agenda for discussion.

    AMD (US-NA) Partner’s Summit: Embargoed information on AMD 7nm chips and Navi GPU

    AMD has only launched the 12nm Ryzen 3000 series so far (unfortunately, the 7nm lineup has the same name so confusion ensues anytime we mention it) and we have heard very little about the
    Navi GPU series but AMD was planning to discuss the same with (regional) partners that are invited to the Partners Summit happening at the end of the month.

    While we can not be certain that tangible, embargoed information is going to be revealed to them – it does make that one of the highest probability events.
    From what the rumour mill has been saying so far, AMD is planning to launch its 7nm CPU and Radeon GPUs (anyone’s guess whether this will include Navi) at
    Computex 2019 and if that is the case, it is very likely embargoed information will be disseminated at the summit.

    So without any further ado, here’s the lowdown:

    • The AMD Partner’s Summit will happen somewhere around the 23rd of this month.
    • This will be a regional event (probably North America only), not a global event, and the company plans to have more of these throughout the year.
    • Ryzen 7nm CPUs and Navi GPU are on the agenda.
    • There is a high likelihood that the embargo for Ryzen 7nm and Radeon (Navi?) will be revealed here (read: launch date).
    We have heard nothing on NVIDIA’s 7nm GPUs so far and if AMD can actually meet a Gamescom launch timeframe.
    There have been rumours about actual availability in late 2019 but all the chatter does point to a Computex 2019 launch.
     
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