Hey everybody - I've built two gaming-grade desktops. I loved immersing myself in the technical knowledge that is required leading up to placing your order for a new PC. I spent months researching. That was three years ago now, and I'm pretty much out of the loop when it comes down to the real specific pros/cons of certain hardware pieces. My roommate wants me to help him build a gaming PC for the barrage of kickass games coming this winter. He wants to spend roughly $800-$1000, and as always, the higher the valuerice ratio the better. He already has a monitor for the time being, and is looking at an HDD for now; he'll get a SSD at a later date. I want to grab him no less than a GTX560, since those seem to be the best price point/performance from what I've seen (maybe you can tell me differently). One last thing, both him and I would prefer to use NewEgg, since I love their customer service/shipping, and he can pay monthly via the preferred account. So, guys, help me out here! I really appreciate it!
He's got all the little things covered, like mouse/keyboard/speakers. I've got enough know-how to handle most of the less-flashy things, like ram/PSU. And since I've basically already decided on what GPU to get (what do you guys think of this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130604), the most help I need is in the CPU/Mobo area. I want to get the absolute best bang/buck combo I can get for about ~$300 for the pair. Any ideas? Edit: He's probably going to need a copy of Windows, but will be able to grab it for cheap as hell at either his or my school.
Simple Simple my friend, just read the guru3d buyer guide for this For example, here is my recommendation: z68 + core i5 2300 sandy bridge + ATI Just search newegg for the best price ... 1. Why z68, why core i5 2300? $110 + $180 Z68 chipset is obvious, since this is currently the best and the most affordable chipset for mainboard now... (ASrock is good, and reasonable ) Sandy bridge? No doubt about this. Why core i5 2300? The cheapest among those i5 ... (it wont gain you a 5fps gain if ya using i5-2400 (3.3ghz vs 3.1ghz) - so, save yourself $10 on the CPU) 2. ATI 6950 1GB $240 Well, look at this VGA chart on Guru3d, this buddy has 10% more horse power than 560TI, and you only need to spend $20 more... Do not bother to consider buying a 2GB version, since our tests show that they have the same performance... 3. A mouse, it a must-have for FPS game $50 When I use the machine gun, I choose a low DPI (400dpi) for running and quick navigation, but when it is the time for aiming on my sniper gun, I will change to high DPI (1600dpi) so that I can aim precisely and ...headshot those bad-as* :biggun::biggun::biggun: Just a entry level lase mouse with dpi switching is good my friend, and ya wont need more than 1600pdi, so just grab a Razer 4. Case - choose on mid-tower case, it okay, ... ~$80 5. Soundcard - just choose a asus xonar card, it's good, otherwise, a Creative card is good too ~$50 Well, hmm, I wont dive in speakers, since it will be personal choice, but ya just need a good 5.1 system (BTW, dont fall for the ...high power trick, because when ya use 100W - ya neighbor will sue ya for sure ) Well, ... just some recommendation c1: P.S For RAM, just grab some good 1600Mhz RAM, a 4gb ram will suffice (and don't choose high CAS whatsoever, since xbitlabs has already tested them ... no performance gain, )
Here's what I'd get Mobo Asrock Z68 Pro3 $105 OR Asus P8Z68-V LE $130 CPU i5-2500K $220 + Coolermaster 212 Evo $35 GPU MSI 6950 2GB $255 (after rebate) (faster, more vram and better cooling than evga 560 ti) RAM G.Skill Value 1333 2x4GB $42 HDD Samsung F3 1TB 7200RPM $60 ODD DVDRW $20 Sound Asus Xonar DG $20 (after rebate) PSU XFX Core 650W $60 (after rebate) Case Cooler Master HAF 912 $60 (+ optionally Coolermaster Megaflow 200mm fan $20 + voltage control cable) ~$900 If the price is too high, I'd swap to i5-2400 at $190 (with boxed cooler which I've heard isn't too bad noise-wise) rather than skimp on the video card.
Actually it's 3.4Ghz vs 3.1Ghz. 300Mhz more for just $10? Why not. Some games already utilise more than 1GB at 1080p, and that number can only increase in the future. 2GB is less likely to require an upgrade soon. Secondly, a 2GB card will have much better resale value in a time when over 1GB is the standard for 1080p gaming Highly recommend against that if he already has a mouse. I use a 400DPI mouse at 1080p, it works just fine "No performance gain" also applies to 1600mhz ram VS 1333mhz ram.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-bridge-ddr3.html DDR3 SDRAM for Sandy Bridge: Choosing the Best Memory for LGA1155 Platform Well it DOES make a differences BTW, 1600Mhz is the norm now , ... and it is cheap
ASUS P8Z68-V LX LGA 1155 Intel Z68 $129.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131781 Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz $219.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072 In the process of completing three builds with these components. First one is done and I must say I am impressed with the quality from ASUS, except the flimsy and plain back panel. UEFI BIOS is very well done. I know this is $50 over your ideal budget, but the 2500K is an excellent choice for gaming. If you had to come down I suppose you could look at the i5-2400 SNB. Intel Core i5-2400 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz $189.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115074
According to those graphs, lower timings offer just as much extra performance as higher MHz. So why do you say faster timings aren't worth it, but 1600MHz is? Secondly, let's break this down. 1600MHz CL9 vs 1333Mhz CL9 at stock CPU clocks (since you recommended at locked multiplier CPU). First graph: 50.9 vs 50.6 fps = 0.6% faster. Second graph: 90.79fps vs 90.71fps = 0.03% faster. 1600MHz RAM costs $10 more. Worth it for gaming? No. Also, 1600Mhz is not the norm. 1333Mhz is the norm, as it is recommended by Intel. @Xtreme1979 P8Z68-V LE costs the same as LX
Look at dat performance gain ^^ (see chart) And 400 DPI is crap, guessing you have never used a high quality gaming mouse? I cant go back to low dpi mouse
And look at my reply to it. Why is it crap? Did you not know that whether it's enough for accurate on-screen movement depends on the user's in-game sensitivity setting? Also, DPI isn't a very important determinant of what is a good mouse. It's much more important that the mouse is reliable, and the right size and weight for your palm and the way you grip the mouse. I have used Logitech MX518, G500 and Steelseries Ikari. I prefer Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical 1.1a to all of those (I have it modded to 500hz).
i opened up this reply before you posted yours. I dont like logitech, and no DPI is what determines accuracy. 1600 DPI with lower sensitivity is way more accurate than 400 dpi with a higher sensitivity; and of course quality of mouse and ergonomics is important too. Who cares about $10? Id rather get the extra performance and be more future proof for CPU limited games like CIV 5 shows. 5fps from 1333 to 1600? Good enough for me.
Awesome guys, thanks for all the input so far. Here's a quick build I've thrown together. Please critique it piece by piece, let me know where I can trim down the price a little bit, where I can get more bang for the buck. ASRock Z68 PRO3 LGA 1155 Mobo - $129.99 Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz CPU - $219.99 COOLER MASTER Storm Scout Case - $82.99 (what do you guys think about this case? I love the features like cable management) EVGA GTX 560ti - $249.99. I know you guys all recommend ATI, but I've had way too many problems in the past with hardware/driver issues. nVidia or nothing for me! Corsair 650w PSU - $84.99 Corsair 2x4gb Ram - $51.99 (when did RAM get so goddamn cheap?!) WD 1.5TB HDD - $64.99 Generic Sony Optical Drive - $16.99 TOTAL: $876.92 Now, the one thing this build is missing is a CPU cooler. Please recommend me one. Preferably one that is not a super pain in the ass to install like my Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer. Thanks guys.
DPI is bottlenecked by monitor resolution. There comes a point when mouse movement simply becomes pixel-precise at a given centimeters/360 turn, and any DPI above that point will not be any more accurate. Other than that, the mouse doesn't need to be pixel precise. Even far away targets consist of dozens of pixels, so it really doesn't matter if it's pixel precise or not. What matters is your skill at aiming accurately. High DPI is a marketing trick and it's successful because uninformed people like yourself think that "bigger is better". @ Kershner Nice, that corsair PSU has $10 off deal on it . XFX 650W is the same price and from the same manufacturer (seasonic), but it comes with 4 PCIe connectors in case you ever go dual-GPU (could handle two 150W GPUs like 6870), but at that price both XFX and Corsair are great. Galaxy 560 Ti is just $200. All 560 Ti overclock easily, you could just set it to EVGA SC speeds yourself. Another option is Gigabyte dual-fan cooled 560 ti for $205, or MSI Twin Frozr for $225. Storm Scout is a decent case :thumbsup:
Thanks for the input - is Galaxy a trusted enough brand to where I could safely spend $50 less? I've had two different EVGA cards now and they have both been solid as hell. Come with the EVGA Precision tuner for super easy O/Cing/fan management, and the step-up lifetime warranty program. Anyone here used a Galaxy card?
what you picked is pretty much identical to what I have performance wise . I put my rig together yesterday and overclocked the cpu to 4.5ghz with no issues whatsoever. It's a monster compared to my old q6600 rig. really love it. you will too! not sure about Galaxy, I've never used their products but maybe go for the MSI Twin Frozr and only save $25 compared to the EVGA one. That MSI one will overclock really well and run cool and quiet.
I don't care about $10 either but you're missing the point. If you're buying say 10 components, than shaving off $10-$15 on each makes a massive difference when your budget is tight and you have to pay mortgage next week. EDIT: and why don't you like Logitech? I'm no brand fanboy but I have a logitech mouse, keyboard, wheel and speakers. All of these products work great for me and I've never had a single problem with them.
Yeh I know it's meant to cost more, meant to say that the LE is currently the same price on newegg @Kershner Well, Galaxy certainly isn't as popular as the eminent EVGA. I don't know, they're a smaller company and their customer service may not be the best but apart from that I don't see any reason to avoid them BTW there's also a rebate deal on the EVGA so it's not quite $50 more expensive in the end. You'd be fine with it I'm sure, I'm just giving you options where you can save money or get a better cooler for the same price... Actually, the Gigabyte one is the best of both worlds