The Obama Deception (Movie)

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  1. proFits

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    Greetings Gentlemen,
    This is the ''conspiracies'' thread!
    First off, I'm a left winger and I HAD to see this movie,

    It's in regards to the NWO (New World Order, nothing to do with wrestling) and of the banks of the world taking over the governments of the world.

    This would be made possible through the bailout putting the USA government in an even deeper dept, and obviously dept they owe to BANKS.



    THE FILM

    It names multiple lies of Barrack Obama throughout his campaign. Those are unfortunately hard facts and promises he has yet to complete

    Then it names the ways and reasons WHY it is a BAD thing for you to have that NWO, basically paying more for everything through a ''fake weather change'' because you would have to pay carbon taxes

    How the USA has been weakening china and Russia through civil war in Africa, denying them access to primary ressources such as plastic and oil

    ETC ETC ETC

    Seen in ? Want to see it ?

    Tell me about it :)

    PERSONNALLY IMHO MYSELF AND I think this is a fairly believable story, but I have the same feeling as District 9... It could happen, but is it going to
     
  2. Finchwizard

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    http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=85829

    I'll hand out Infractions if people start being dickheads about politics as well.
    I'm pretty close to just closing any Political thread instantly. It's really not useful.
     
  3. proFits

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    Thank you for keeping it open, I hope you ammongst other see this movie

    I personnally would've voted for OBAMA if I was american, I just think this is entertaining to watch

    Once again I appreciate that you give it a chance Finch, and I'll be the first one to say you need to close it if it gets political

    Specially that this movie is saying how BOTH sides are the same (and bad)
     
  4. kwak

    kwak Ancient Guru

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    ill check the movie out, im usually very suspicious about anything like this, but i quite like to see things like this.
     

  5. Stukov

    Stukov Ancient Guru

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    In before lock! Btw, anyone interested in something actually from the white house....

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/2010executive_order.pdf

    10 Council of Governors...and there happens to be 10 FEMA districts

    http://www.iwr.usace.army.mil/nfrmp/docs/USACE-FEMA Boundaries.pdf
     
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  6. Jonnyboy

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    don't care at all about obama because he is not far from the other presidents and trying to turn the country into socialism and take away many of our rights.and his new and improved health plan will do nothing but hurt states like California even worse.not to mention he wants to continue what bush started and him doing that doesn't help him win people.imo he is one of the worst presidents heck Arnie would probably be better at it then obama and Arnold doesn't even collect a paycheck
     
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  7. Palerider

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    I'm not an Obama supporter, but I'll try to stay within the guidelines.
    It troubles me to see all the Czars he's appointing, appointed officials without boundaries,answerable to nobody.He seems to be governing against the majority on a growing number of issues.This is extremely alarming and I've always been against the big conspiracy theories.Now I'm actually starting to wonder......

    I was a Bush supporter, in case you think my opinion is formed from my politics.It isn't.GWB trampled our constitution, and empowered our banks as well.Again, I liked the politics of his party, but his actions scare me.

    I'm in a place where I'm starting to believe all this stuff, I always considered hog-wash.Our leaders no longer govern to the will of the people, but feel they have free reign to do as they please.The system has become about "power", not governing.About "control", not ideas.About money, not protecting our constitution.

    It's getting scary.
     
  8. tamzid

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    um in before it closes.... :p
     
  9. Stukov

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    The biggest problem I have had recently is not just the annoying of the expansion of powers of the Federal government (by both "parties"), but that continued claim that we are moving to socialism/communism.

    If you study civics, political science, or history you would know that the US is not becoming more "socialist" or "communist" because the center stone for either of these organizations of society is the collective ownership of property. In socialism/communism you don't have private ownership of property.

    If you look at all the styles of governance and society the closest the recent actions of the US federal government are that of what is called Fascism. The problem is that all these words like socialism, communism, and fascism have been used stupid people to describe things they really aren't. They just know "x=bad" and "y=bad" so if I call "x", "y" it doesn't matter if they aren't the same since they are both "bad", people won't support it.

    Economic fascism is considered the "third way", where private property still exists but the central (and powerful) government controls or owns certain industries and trade markets. It uses its influence and power over the laws to eventually have a defacto monopoly on whatever industry or trade market it seeks to have. The Corporate State, as it is called is the complete unification of what we have had in the US for quite a while. No longer do you have lobbyist or political leaders getting tons of funds donated campaigns as neither are needed any longer. The government has become a corporate state where unification of corporate ownership and governmental powers are now one.

    "Free markets" still exist in certain parts of society, as does private ownership, and all is paved possible by pundits and talking heads pretending to be fighting over republican/democrat or capitalism/socialism all the while the Federal government has been assmassing power over the past 100 years through tax collection and degradation of US constitution.

    *PS* This is my attempt to change thread topic away from something specific about any leader so it can possibly be open longer.
     
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    In before the close....our country was in big trouble with Bush and it's only getting worse. So many promises broken in only his first year. So much for open debates about the HC bill on CSPAN. So much for "transparency" and "change".
     

  11. I think that any political form, from the high echelons of govvernments right down to your local ministers are currupt to the very core. Governments have proved time and time again that they cannot agree.

    Shall we look at COP15 (Climate Change Summit). Now they cannot even agree on saving the planet, I hardly think they can agree and acctually implement this NWO. The logistics involved both economic,sociel,political and governmental are far to big for it to be 1.kept a secret without any real evidence and 2.how can the banks take us over or governments?

    The bank weild no "real" power what so ever. The banks can cripple the world economy but how are you going to organise such a plan?? let along implement it. It is easy to say it, but an impossible task to do unless you have the support of hundreds of thousands of personel.

    Bottom line is that man cannot agree or govern itself, nor does it have the right. Who will run this NWO, there will always be someone saying " I want to ", and with that brings its own challanges.

    I think President Obama is a man that needs to be watched, as do many other leaders and shackers. As for those commenting on the secret societys, they have been around for hundreds of years, and have not got anywhere. You would think you'd try to enact this NWO as early as possible in human history.

    As the population grows, it is an increasingly difficult plan to bring into force. WW2, Adolf Hiter said he would create a government that would last 1,000 years? how long did it last? 17 or so. It is all just temporary. Governments cant even control people now, how are they going to do it? Im sorry, but as the russians proved, numbers are far more otherfull then any government.

    Good Luck with there NWO, if they can accomplish it.

    **Comments posted by myself are of my own beliefs. I do not in anyway target anyone else's comments. I respect and would like respect to be shown from all.**
     
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  12. Finchwizard

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    1 Infraction Point for posting, and not even contributing to the thread.

    Any more "In before the closes" will also get a point.

    The others who mentioned it won't get one, because they at least contributed after it.
     
  13. Dmented

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    Jeez, could you at least add something useful while saying that? Otherwise it's useless spam.

    For the thread: I watched this docu. and thought it was quite good. I do believe in some political things that the majority of people call conspiracy theories because a lot of it makes sense. It seems people really don't take a look into the past anymore and they make their judgments on things they don't know the back story to. They just call it all crap because someone else told them it is. That's what I find to be scary. The fact that a large amount of Americans barely think for themselves and rely on others to make their opinions.

    Edit:

    Thank you.
     
  14. Palerider

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    What I find even more frightening, is those who try to get the whole story, have a hard time finding it.
    Most press is slanted to the left, and most alternative media is slanted to the right.I know CNN is going to take a democratic POV, I know Fox will side with the GOP.No surprises when I tune into Rush, he makes no bones about his affiliations.I'm cool with that, but the news should hold no bias.
    Everyone seems to have a stake in the game, so nobody reports "Just the facts"
    Now you have the major media reporting something, the conservatives giving the "real translation" the liberals accusing the conservatives of embellishment, and those who truly want facts are caught in the middle of more politics in the news.
    This movie is proof of my point, as are the Michael Moore movies from the Bush era.
     
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    I wantz to see the truth in this film the bare raw hard naked truth.
     

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    Americans barely think for themselves?

    Change Americans with "The Human Population" and it's a little more accurate.

    There's far too many, world wide that don't think for themselves.
     
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    As far as I can tell, 99,99999% of the time ever since we came down from the trees we were like that, imho. Its never going to change, it's in our nature. Sure, there are revolutions from time to time, but as we need guidance and governing, it inveitably leads to corruption. My 2c.
     
  18. Stukov

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    Which makes me think of the entirety of the Dune series, where humanity in the books are pretty much content with being mindless drones. It takes the rise of massive tyrant of the God Emperor Leto (with the underground rebels he created) the actual desire to care about freedom, liberty, and self-determination.

    This is a sad state of affairs that we would have to have a world wide tyrant in order for people to wake up.
     
  19. tamzid

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    well that is really really rude... um never been one of those who would spam around without any reason.. and i have been around guru3d for a long time... just that i didn't have time to post back then i thought i would get in before it closes to later on say what i intended to say... well since political threads usually gets closed sooner than you think that seemed a good option for me at that moment... sorry to disrespect the rules of guru3d but i would like to say i am seriously offended by it... well now if you please may delete my above post mr. administrator.. i would gladly avoid threads that i don't have anything great to post with... and i think me and everybody would re read the rules of the thread as for me i wouldn't want to say lame or meaningless things about anything.. neither do i want to disrespect anyone else.. i hope everyone stays like that as well..
     
  20. kwak

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    i think you are making some really good points in this thread palerider.
    couple of questions though:
    whats the GOP? is it something to do with republicans? cause what i hear about fox news here in europe is that they basically say that everything the republicans say is good, everything else is bad.

    I also think that you need people like Michael Moore on all sides of a political party, as long as there are realistic people around that can see beyond their polarisation.
     

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