GTX 295 Holds On To The Crown

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  1. vbetts

    vbetts Don Vincenzo Staff Member

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    Notice I say ATI card though. :D The 9800GTX+ I had was longer than my mobo. I think it was like 11-12 inches.
     
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    Yeah but LedHed was cracking on someone pointing out it was the fastest SINGLE CARD solution which is true. It is not however, the fastest GPU. No offense but sloppy use of terminology isn't an excuse even though it is common.:)
     
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  3. LedHed

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    I believe he was cracking on me and all I said is did the GTX 285 and 4870X2 get classified into Single and Dual.
     
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    vbetts Don Vincenzo Staff Member

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    They are in both senses.

    They're both single cards, with dual gpus. It's hard to argue on it, because a lot of people insist that they're 2 video cards. In that logic then, dual core, tri core, and quad core cpus are nothing multiple cpus, which is false.
     
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    Uh what? One is single GPU the other is dual GPU.

    Not hard to argue at all when they are independent GPU's unlike multiple cores on the same die.
     
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    As I said, sloppy use of terminology....
     
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    vbetts Don Vincenzo Staff Member

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    I'm sorry, I thought he said 295 instead of 285. My fault. :D

    As for the rest of the post, it shouldn't be hard, but a lot of people don't understand what the cards are. Now can't really say this as far as ATI's case since their X2 models have all been on 1 pcb, but the 7900gx2, the 9800gx2, and the 295 with 2 pcbs were all a single video card that were multiple gpu solutions. A lot of people try to argue that, saying that multiple gpus makes it a multiple video card solution. Yes, the older nvidia cards like that did have 2 pcbs, but there was only 1 interface port for pcie. Making it, a single video card!
     
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    jmpnop Maha Guru

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    It doesn't make a single card, since in both the cases they work in SLI/CFX.
     
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    It does though. Yes, there needs to be a bridge between the 2 pcbs, or 2 gpus. However, internal sli/cfx do not work as the same as crossfiring or sli'ing 2 4890s or 2 gtx 280s. These are single cards, since they only have 1 interface port.
     
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    i'll agree to that, there's no difference between two cards and one card with multiple GPU's because they both work the same way
     
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    vbetts Don Vincenzo Staff Member

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    So then there's nothing different with running 2 dual cores at 2.6 ghz versus a quad core at 2.6 ghz? Since they both work the same way you know. :D
     
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    Yes it's a single card (dual or single PCB being irrelevant) with 2 GPU's in SLI. Functionally equivalent (not identical) to two single cards in SLI.
     
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    vbetts Don Vincenzo Staff Member

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    That's what I'm saying.

    The number of PCBs don't matter really, it's how many actual cards you have. And when I say cards, I mean cards that can work indepently on their own without the other. multi gpu solutions like the 295 or 4870x2 can't work on their own. You can disable a core if needed, but you can't take it out.
     
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    So then if I have a motherboard with 2 CPU's installed it would be ok to test it against your motherboard which only has one?

    You think that would be a fair contest?


    I don't.
     
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    I don't believe you correctly undertsood what I posted.

    To wit:

    Yeah but LedHed was cracking on someone pointing out it was the fastest SINGLE CARD solution which is true. It is not however, the fastest GPU. No offense but sloppy use of terminology isn't an excuse even though it is common.

    And again:

    Yes it's a single card (dual or single PCB being irrelevant) with 2 GPU's in SLI. Functionally equivalent (not identical) to two single cards in SLI.


    Which means essentially you're comparing a single GPU to an SLI setup regardless if that SLI set up is contained in a single card or in two separate cards. As they are as I stated, "functionally equivalent".
    Better now?:3eyes:
     
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    Not really - once you start using multi threaded applications it wouldn't even be a contest. Then you've got extra Pixel Pipelines and vram and Vertex Shaders as well...although it wouild really come down to the software in the end - weather it was written with SLI in mind.

    maybe I'm not following you. I's been a long weekend.. *shrugs*
     
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    I pointed out the ATI GPU is the fastest single GPU and is barely beaten by an 295 which is a SLI set up. What other conclusion is there but that I agree that comparing a mutiple GPU set up to a single GPU isn't a one to one comparison an is inherently unfair. The only agreement I had with LedHed is he could claim a pyrrhic victory with the 295. But so what right? As soon as ATI comes out with their X2 it will likely crush the 295.
     
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    Then the GT300 and the GT300X2.. it's a cycle of madness!!!!!
     
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    GC_PaNzerFIN Maha Guru

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    Too bad its always the other way. Multi GPU will ALWAYS have higher spread between minimum and average FPS. I have had 3 GTX 295s, quite a few SLi ssetups and a few CF setups and the minimum to average difference is almost ridiculous compared to any single GPU card.
     
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    Nopes
    GTX260 SLI is faster than 295GTX.
    GTX285 SLI is faster then a ASUS Mars.
     
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