why people keep behaving like children?

lmimmfn · Jul 3, 2007

yep, lol, IBL

Waylander · Jul 3, 2007

tbh, the mere fact that this thread needed to be started says all you'll ever need to know about internet forums...

WildStyle · Jul 3, 2007

Sobek said: ↑

Half the reason this forum has so many issues is because of amateurish moderators who exercise erratic control over situations. These moderators appear to not listen one iota to the better half of the community here, choosing to ignore things altogether when large groups of (particularly smart and 'normal' ) users express their dislike of someone's actions together. Instead, the moderators here seem to employ an extremely simple mindset;

"DO WHAT I SAY OR I BAN YOU!".

This just doesn't work. If anything, this incites the more idiotic and self-control-lacking users out there to just lash out any way they can to try and piss these moderators off. And sadly, the lovely mods buy right into it and do exactly what these users want; lock threads. If you want to control these forums and actually make the experience worthwhile for the majority of people here who actually like visiting these forums, then work with them. When large amounts of people begin complaining about another individual, try investigating why they're complaining and perhaps do something to rectify the situation, rather than scream "FREE SPEECH, IGNORE IT OR SHUT UP!". It's like the whole thing with Mrfloydian and his Oblivion screenshots...rather than take the blunt, stupid path of just banning people who complain, why don't you try looking at the big picture. Yes, all he does is post endless Oblivion screenshots, and regardless, people will get annoyed (even those mature, long-time members!)...rather then attempt (poorly) to enforce some pathetic zero-tolerance rule to complaints, take them seriously. Ask for variety in postings from the user in question, split the thread, one for screenshots of all kinds, and one for that particular game in question.

I just feel the whole thing is a poorly handled situation. Looking back, it's funny...all that had to be done was for a moderator to step in and say "Mrfloydian, please add a little variety to what you post, thanks." and everyone would've been fine. Free speech is free speech, but when you use it to do the exact same thing over and over and over again, you are going to piss people off regardless...better to deal with it politely than to just go all caveman-style and ban everyone who dares to have an opinion opposing your thoughts on the subject.
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Yes, yes I thought you may have something to say.

With the screenshot thread, I'm sorry but MrFloydian is never going to be banned as he has done nothing wrong. He likes to post Oblivion pictures, that's what he does, and there is no problem with that. I can see that it may be annoying that all he does is post these pictures but it's not like there's nothing you can do about it.

People need to learn to follow rules. They are there for a reason. It has been stated many times that if you do not want to see his pictures that you can add him to your ignore list or just scroll past his pictures. It's so easy.

People can't seem do that though, hence why the screenshot threads keep getting closed and why we felt as a last resort we would try section or temp banning people that can't follow the specific rules of that thread. Do you see how pathetic it is that you just can't see past his pictures and get on with your life instead of moaning about it constantly?

If people can't follow a simple set of rules and choose to ignore them then they are not the sort of users we want here anyway.

Now hopefully you can see our point of view but I don't expect you to.

We also try and handle things in the best way we can. We are only human and this place takes a lot of time and effort out of our free time. No that isn't an excuse I just thought I would remind you of that fact.

WildStyle · Jul 3, 2007

lmimmfn said: ↑

Mods should have gone through and temp banned anyone offending in that thread including myself if it was percieved that way, its the fact that that would require work to maintain and in that case its simplier to just do without
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Oh, we did. That ended up with the people that I temp banned re-registering under multiple new accounts to cause trouble. Really pathetic.

Overall it's just easier to close the thread because it takes so much time and effort to sort all the time it's just not worth it anymore. We have tried!

arnie · Jul 3, 2007

Sobek said: ↑

This is exactly what i'm talking about...

The vast majority of users who frequent these forums just don't have the kind of self control required to do that (it's sad, but oh so true). It doesn't help either when a moderator just spits this exact same line out over and over, threatening anyone who doesn't blindly obey it with a ban...it's a redundant way to go about it. If someone's going to post 7 or 8 screenshots at a time, of the exact same game, same settings, same locations, same characters, same everything, is it not feasible to give them a dedicated thread? Filling one thread intended for display screenshots of various games, not just one, with the same content over and over drives some people nuts. These people can't grasp using the ignore system, so when you start spouting that same "ignore it or piss off" line, this just irritates them more.

Whether you like it or not, these very people make up the bulk of users here, and you can't just ban every last one of them. Thankfully, half of them don't have the balls to complain (primarily because of the same "OPINION = BAN" stature in place... I guess they like their accounts). I personally detest and hate every single repetitive Oblivion post Mrfloydian makes, but I don't speak of it. I DO scroll past, ignore it, and never speak of it...but so many others can't.

All i'm saying is instead of creating these useless zero-tolerance rules and expecting every last person to obey them without question, regardless of their feelings on a subject, isn't helping. Seperate threads are one option...if a user much like Mrfloydian decides to post lots and lots (and lots!) of screenshots on one particular game to the point where people start to get extremely tired of it, give them their own thread! Give them their own, special, golden, magical thread where they can go nuts, and everyone who loves what they post can come and give the old thumbs up! Naturally, this wont be considered, hell, I expect this thread to get locked, the Screenshot thread to return eventually on its own, and another useless "Say anything other than 'Nice screenshot!' and you're banned" rule to be put in place.

All I ask is that the moderators consider asking US, the community that MAKES this forum, what we want, and how we want it. Polls and votes, questions and such, find out from the very people you're trying to 'control' what they want! Is it that damn hard? If it means a stable, peacefull forum... then for the love of god, just do it.

I don't even know why i'm caring like this to be honest... i'm not much more than a passing user from time to time. I guess it just irks me seeing how damn foolish all of this is being handled. The moderators could stand to learn a few things from other respectable forums with their own massive community posting screenshots without hassle. Half the reason these communities work is because the users all understand that variety keeps things interesting... it's really that simple.
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You seem to enjoy arguing, but I believe you will make no headway here. Considered getting involved in politics?

lmimmfn · Jul 3, 2007

WildStyle said: ↑

Oh, we did. That ended up with the people that I temp banned re-registering under multiple new accounts to cause trouble. Really pathetic.

Overall it's just easier to close the thread because it takes so much time and effort to sort all the time it's just not worth it anymore. We have tried!
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Sorry, didnt realise, ip ban might work but dynamic ips would still have the same issues

heads_up · Jul 4, 2007

WildStyle said: ↑

Yes, yes I thought you may have something to say.

With the screenshot thread, I'm sorry but MrFloydian is never going to be banned as he has done nothing wrong. He likes to post Oblivion pictures, that's what he does, and there is no problem with that. I can see that it may be annoying that all he does is post these pictures but it's not like there's nothing you can do about it.

People need to learn to follow rules. They are there for a reason. It has been stated many times that if you do not want to see his pictures that you can add him to your ignore list or just scroll past his pictures. It's so easy.

People can't seem do that though, hence why the screenshot threads keep getting closed and why we felt as a last resort we would try section or temp banning people that can't follow the specific rules of that thread. Do you see how pathetic it is that you just can't see past his pictures and get on with your life instead of moaning about it constantly?

If people can't follow a simple set of rules and choose to ignore them then they are not the sort of users we want here anyway.

Now hopefully you can see our point of view but I don't expect you to.

We also try and handle things in the best way we can. We are only human and this place takes a lot of time and effort out of our free time. No that isn't an excuse I just thought I would remind you of that fact.
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Amen.

Food · Jul 4, 2007

I cannot fault MrFloydian as a member of the forums and i have absolutely no problem with him posting Oblivion screenies and certainly no grounds to BAN him at all.

i simply added him to the Ignore list based on the fact that i don't want to see the endless Oblivion screenies, not because i have anything against him.
anyone's asking to Ban mrfloydian should go back to the mental institute that he escaped from, it is a very stupid request, these n00bs need to learn how to use a PC before going on a rampage. :devil: meh

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