Possible? If so, how? FX5900->Quadro / 6800->Quadro

terrablader · Feb 24, 2007

Xp 32 verses 64 specview results

Ok well I tried benchmarking windows 32 verses 64 with specviewperf 7.1

Riva Tuner Quadro FX4000

WINDOWS 32

Run All Summary
---------- SUM_RESULTS\3DSMAX\SUMMARY.TXT
3dsmax-02 Weighted Geometric Mean = 48.17
---------- SUM_RESULTS\DRV\SUMMARY.TXT
drv-09 Weighted Geometric Mean = 199.9
---------- SUM_RESULTS\DX\SUMMARY.TXT
dx-08 Weighted Geometric Mean = 197.6
---------- SUM_RESULTS\LIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
light-06 Weighted Geometric Mean = 40.86
---------- SUM_RESULTS\PROE\SUMMARY.TXT
proe-02 Weighted Geometric Mean = 59.97
---------- SUM_RESULTS\UGS\SUMMARY.TXT
ugs-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 78.63

NOW WINDOWS XP 64

Run All Summary

---------- SUM_RESULTS\3DSMAX\SUMMARY.TXT
3dsmax-02 Weighted Geometric Mean = 50.43
---------- SUM_RESULTS\DRV\SUMMARY.TXT
drv-09 Weighted Geometric Mean = 208.0
---------- SUM_RESULTS\DX\SUMMARY.TXT
dx-08 Weighted Geometric Mean = 202.6
---------- SUM_RESULTS\LIGHT\SUMMARY.TXT
light-06 Weighted Geometric Mean = 42.43
---------- SUM_RESULTS\PROE\SUMMARY.TXT
proe-02 Weighted Geometric Mean = 62.65
---------- SUM_RESULTS\UGS\SUMMARY.TXT
ugs-03 Weighted Geometric Mean = 80.41

EDIT - ops forgot to turn off V-Sync. Actually slight improvement. The screen resolution was set to 1600 x 1200 for the 64 test. Dont think that matters but will run it again at 1280x1024

M.

clokkevi · Feb 24, 2007

terrablader said: ↑

Ok well I tried benchmarking windows 32 verses 64 with specviewperf 7.1
Click to expand...

Yes, those 2% - 4% increases in 64-bit are so marginal that the manufacturer
would probably have lost potential 64-bit customers if they published them...!

That said, this comparison is not 100% fair, because the SPECviewperf programs are still 32-bit!

For a real 64-bit test..
you must install the 64-bit versions of Maya 8.5 or 3ds Max 9 on the 64-bit Windows partition,
and compare those with the 32-bit versions of the same programs running on the 32-bit Windows partition.

Unfortunately, SPECapc for Maya 6.5 and SPECapc for 3ds Max 8.0 are currently the highest versions.
I'm not sure if you can force those to install / run on Maya 8.5 / 3ds Max 9.
If not, you could try to extract the scenes / textures / scripts from them,
and then modify the MEL scripts / MAXScripts so they would run.

Or maybe you will have to write your own, if I remember correctly, the MAXScripts in SPECapc for 3ds Max were encrypted .mse MAXScripts..

AlecRyben · Feb 24, 2007

Yes, there is a speed imporvement of 64 bit vs 32 bit!

But why aren't we seeing it that much?
My guess is this: Intel's EM64T CPUs are probably suffering if they are forced to run AMD64 optimized programs, so Intel forces everybody to use Intel's optimizing compilers instead (tight cooperation with Microsoft => VisualStudio suite favorizing EM64T). So, the speed advantage of AMD is nullified and we see no speed difference between 32 bit and 64 bit.
I know it's another of those "conspiracy theories" but seeing how benchmarks done using opensource GCC compilers compare to newest stuf compiled on Microsoft/Intel compilers makes me think...

clokkevi · Feb 24, 2007

AlecRyben said: ↑

Yes, there is a speed imporvement of 64 bit vs 32 bit!

But why aren't we seeing it that much?
My guess is this: Intel's EM64T CPUs are probably suffering if they are forced to run AMD64 optimized programs, so Intel forces everybody to use Intel's optimizing compilers instead (tight cooperation with Microsoft => VisualStudio suite favorizing EM64T). So, the speed advantage of AMD is nullified and we see no speed difference between 32 bit and 64 bit.
I know it's another of those "conspiracy theories" but seeing how benchmarks done using opensource GCC compilers compare to newest stuf compiled on Microsoft/Intel compilers makes me think...
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Wow!

Thank you for that link! The current 64-bit cpus must be much better than I thought, then!
Look at the RSA Key 4096 Optimized 2 Primes Decrypt near the bottom
- the 64-bit mode is over 4 times faster than the 32-bit mode!!
This is so cool, I'm really glad I was so wrong about this..!

Now, I wonder, how good is the 64-bit porting of Maya 8.5 / Max 9.0 etc..?
Small programs like the Nvidia Blobby Dancer, the zlib library etc are - I guess - easier to port good.

How much "human interaction" is needed when porting programs from 32-bit to 64-bit?
Do they have to rewrite / modify big portions of the source code?
Or - in the opposite end - is the compiler doing all the stuff, they use the same source code and just tell the compiler to make 64-bit optimizations?

If there is a need for a lot of source code modification before the compiler can do a good job,
then that could mean that the 64-bit versions of e.g. Maya will become faster and faster compared to the 32-bit versions for each new version..!
AFAIK there is a lot of source code in Maya, so it will probably take some time to modify everything for 64-bit optimization.

AlecRyben · Feb 24, 2007

Porting is easy, you only need to align your data structures to 64 bit.
Everything else is done in the compiler.

BTW, we are getting way off topic here.

ssani · Mar 21, 2007

help about new graphics card buy

Hello all,
My english is poor so please..... i want to buy a new graphics card based on 6800(AGP) which can be softmod.Please suggest which company card is best for softmod.
Thanks in advance

clokkevi · Mar 22, 2007

ssani said: ↑

Hello all,
My english is poor so please..... i want to buy a new graphics card based on 6800(AGP) which can be softmod.Please suggest which company card is best for softmod.
Thanks in advance
Click to expand...

The only reason you can softmod some GeForce 6800 cards is that
some of them use a chip from Nvidia with the codename NV40.
If the card has NV40, you can softmod it.
If the card does not have NV40, you can not softmod it.

(Strictly speaking, there is also a Nvidia chip with the codename NV45
which also can be softmodded, but it is only used on PCIe cards.
And this chip is in reality the old NV40 with a new AGP-to-PCIe "translator" bridge to make it work with PCIe cards.)

You MUST buy either
GeForce 6800 GT (AGP8x)
GeForce 6800 Ultra (AGP8x)
GeForce 6800 GS (AGP8x)

It does not matter at all which card company that made it!
It may be ASUS, BFG, Gainward, MSI, XFX or any other...
As long as it is either 6800 GT, 6800 Ultra or 6800 GS.
Because these cards does always have NV40.

But, you maybe will find it difficult to find a shop that still sells new cards of these 3 models..

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

If you should later want to buy a PCI Express card for a new PC,
the same "rules" apply, except for one:

GeForce 6800 GS (PCIe) uses not NV40, but NV42, and will not softmod.

That leaves
GeForce 6800 GT (PCIe)
GeForce 6800 Ultra (PCIe)
as the only choices for PCIe softmodding.

terrablader · Mar 22, 2007

clokkevi said: ↑

The only reason you can softmod some GeForce That leaves
GeForce 6800 GT (PCIe)
GeForce 6800 Ultra (PCIe)
as the only choices for PCIe softmodding.
Click to expand...

Do these PCIe versions outperform the AGP cards?

M.

clokkevi · Mar 22, 2007

terrablader said: ↑

Do these PCIe versions outperform the AGP cards?

M.
Click to expand...

Except for the fact that a few of the PCIe GT / Ultra models have 512 MB instead of 256 MB memory,
while the AGP8x versions can only be found in 256 MB versions,
they are identical.

Same core speed, same memory speed, same number of vertex and pixel shaders.

Well, some companies have sold factory-overclocked models of both AGP8x and PCIe,
so there may of course be some differences because of that,
but the reference models from Nvidia have the same performance in both AGP8x and PCIe.

See the comparison list at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_NVIDIA_Graphics_Processing_Units

EDIT:
Ok, in fact the 6800 Ultra PCIe with 512 MB memory has 1050 MHz memory speed
vs. the 1100 MHz used in 6800 Ultra AGP8x / PCIe with 256 MB memory..!

ssani · Mar 22, 2007

nvwsapps.txt How to download this file

Thank for reply
How to download this file nvwsapps.txt .When i click on this attachment it is going to another page and saying i dont have enough privilage. So how can i download this file
nvwsapps.txt

clokkevi · Mar 23, 2007

ssani said: ↑

Thank for reply
How to download this file nvwsapps.txt .When i click on this attachment it is going to another page and saying i dont have enough privilage. So how can i download this file
nvwsapps.txt
Click to expand...

I am not sure, but it seems that no one can download it anymore.
Maybe Guru3d have stopped with attachments altogether?

The easiest way to get the nvwsapps.xm_ file is to
use WinRAR and extract the xx.xx_forceware_winxp2k_english_whql.exe file.

But then you have to expand it to nvwsapps.xml using the expand.exe via the command prompt.

So I have uploaded it here also:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DG4ZVER9

Cutitlaoca · Mar 27, 2007

hi, i'm trying softmod geforce 6800 ultra to Quadro FX4000, and thanks this theard

Can you upload nv....txt into rapidshare, plz :coffee2:

clokkevi · Mar 28, 2007

nvwsapps.xml

Code:

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Since the attached nvwsapps.txt is not possible to download,
and some people may have troubles using megaupload,
I have pasted the nvwsapps.xml file here.

Copy and paste this into Notepad.

Select File -> Save as..

..and (IMPORTANT!!) set Save as type: All Files
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(If you do not do this, it will be saved as a text file - nvwsapps.xml.txt
..and then it will not work. It has to be an XML file..!)

..then save the file as

nvwsapps.xml

into the folder

C:\WINDOWS\system32\

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P.S.

The full nvwsapps.xml list contains 67812 letters
and since there is a limit of 40000 letters here at Guru3D,
I have cut away the least used profiles.
What is left is

"3DPaint" - "3D Studio Max" - "Adobe After Effects" - "Ansys" - "AutoCAD" -
"Autodesk Inventor" - "CATIA" - "Cinema 4D" - "Combustion" - "I-DEAS Master Series" -
"Lightwave" - "Maya" - "Pro/ENGINEER" - "Pro/ENGINEER Wildfire" - "PTC DIVISION Mockup" -
"SOFTIMAGE|3D" - "SOFTIMAGE|XSI" - "Solid Edge" - "Solidworks" - "StudioTools" -
"UG - Teamcenter Engineering" - "Unigraphics"

Piolit · Mar 28, 2007

eVGA Geforce 6800 ultra 512 MB PCIex

I'm looking to purchase this card. Will it be able to softmod to a Quadro fx4000. Would having the 512MB version as apposed to a 256MB benefit the card in 3D applications (MAX, Maya). For that matter which one would be better for 3D the Ultra or GT.

Thanks,
Piolit

AlecRyben · Mar 28, 2007

Piolit said: ↑

I'm looking to purchase this card. Will it be able to softmod to a Quadro fx4000. Would having the 512MB version as apposed to a 256MB benefit the card in 3D applications (MAX, Maya). For that matter which one would be better for 3D the Ultra or GT.

Thanks,
Piolit
Click to expand...

You really have to check which GPU is on that thing, since only NV40/NV45/NV48 are moddable.
I have seen some PCI-E 512Mb 6800 "Quasi-Ultras" on the market that are actually non-moddable NV41/NV42 models with higher clocks but 12 pipes and 5 VPs only.

Piolit · Mar 28, 2007

AlecRyben said: ↑

You really have to check which GPU is on that thing, since only NV40/NV45/NV48 are moddable.
I have seen some PCI-E 512Mb 6800 "Quasi-Ultras" on the market that are actually non-moddable NV41/NV42 models with higher clocks but 12 pipes and 5 VPs only.
Click to expand...

Thanks for the quick response.
Is there any way to tell from the model number or the physical card without booting it up in a computer. And how bout the second part of the question. Would a 512mb card be better than a 256mb card in 3D applications. Ultra vs GT.

Thanks Again,
Piolit

clokkevi · Mar 29, 2007

Piolit said: ↑

Is there any way to tell from the model number or the physical card without booting it up in a computer.
Click to expand...

Unfortunately, no. But if you are so unlucky as to get a non-Ultra card,
I would have demanded the money back.
A GeForce 6800 Ultra PCI-E should be like it is described in these tables:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_6_Series#6800_chipset_table
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_NVIDIA_Graphics_Processing_Units#GeForce_6_series
That is:
NV45, 130 nm process, 400 MHz core, 1050 or 1100 MHz memory, 16 pixel pipes and 6 vertex processors.

Hmm.. if they use a non-moddable NV42 with 12 pixel pipes and 5 vertex processors,
they will maybe try to overclock it to make it perform better than the cheaper 6800 GS cards.
NV42's have 425 MHz core speed by default, so maybe they overclock it to 450 MHz or even higher.
So that could maybe be a way to spot the fake Ultra without installing it;
if you see the specs says core speed at 425 MHz or higher,
then it is possible it has the non-moddable NV42 (a.k.a. NV41).

Piolit said: ↑

Would a 512mb card be better than a 256mb card in 3D applications. Ultra vs GT.
Click to expand...

As you can see from those tables, the Ultra has 400 MHz core, while the GT has 350 MHz core.
So the Ultra is 400/350 = 1.14 times faster.
About the 256 MB vs 512 MB..
..I guess the "larger is better" saying applies here like everywhere else.

However, in this table
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_NVIDIA_Graphics_Processing_Units#GeForce_6_series
the 512 MB version is listed with 1050 MHz memory speed vs the 256 MB version's 1100 MHz.
I'm not sure if this is the case with all cards though.

BTW, if I was going to buy a new card today, for using it in 3ds Max 9.0 and Maya 8.5, I would instead have bought a GeForce 8800 GTS.
3ds Max has been Direct3D-optimized more than OpenGL-optimized for many versions,
and after the demise of SGI / Irix, I would guess that Maya will follow that road also.

My point is:

a non-modded GeForce 8800 GTS will give you (probably much) better performance than
a Quadro-modded GeForce 6800 GT or Ultra
in both 3ds Max and Maya,
(as long as you don't plan to use old versions like Maya 3.0 or 4.0)

AlecRyben · Mar 30, 2007

A high end gaming card like 8800 may be a great solution for Max, but i wouldn't be so sure about Maya.
Even the latest Maya 8.5 has some performance problems with GeForce cards since PaintFX still needs indexed overlays for speed.
And I wouldn't bet my money on Maya dumping OpenGL in favour of D3D anytime soon because Maya also supports Linux and OS/X and you can't have D3D on those two.

Piolit · Mar 30, 2007

Thanks again for your quick responses guys.
So a 8800GTS would significantly outperform a 6800GT/Ultra modded to an fx4000? Why do people buy those $$$$ cards then? Is it solely for the drivers/certification. Are there any newer workstation cards (or quadros) that are more Direct 3D based. If I use CAD, MAX, Adobe CS most, would the 8800GTS be a much better choice? I was going to buy the card off ebay (6800gt/ultra) making the 8880 GTS about double the price. Do you think the difference in max between a fx4000 and 8800GTS is worth that jump in price.

Thanks,
Piolit

clokkevi · Mar 30, 2007

AlecRyben said: ↑

Even the latest Maya 8.5 has some performance problems with GeForce cards since PaintFX still needs indexed overlays for speed.
Click to expand...

Hmm, ok, I was not aware that this still was such a big issue.
I vaguely seem to recall that some of the earlier Maya versions had some tips that said
if Artisan and PaintFX was slow, this was because hardware overlays were off,
and if hardware rendering was slow, this was because hardware overlays were on.
So you baically had to turn overlays on/off depending on what you were doing at the moment.
However, I can not find any info about this now in any of the
http://www.alias.com/glb/eng/support/maya/qualified_hardware/archive.jsp
so I am not sure if I read this somewhere else..?

Or even if it was an issue not with Nvidia, but just with the 3Dlabs Oxygen GVX210 card I had at that time
(I believe the driver had 2 "Maya" settings; one "with Alpha", one "without Alpha")

Although it would, of course, be better to have the new G80-based Quadro FX 4600
than the GeForce 8800 because of its hardware overlay support..
..do you think the GeForce 8800 will also be slower than a Quadro FX 4000
for those Artisan / PaintFX operations?

AlecRyben said: ↑

And I wouldn't bet my money on Maya dumping OpenGL in favour of D3D anytime soon because Maya also supports Linux and OS/X and you can't have D3D on those two.
Click to expand...

Ahh..yes, that's a very good point. I really forgot about those.
But, maybe Autodesk will make a D3D driver for Maya on Windows NT 5.x/6.x platforms..?
I mean, if they want to make sure "non-3dsmax people" are choosing Maya
instead of XSI also for developing next-gen games,
they really should try to support the latest versions of GLSL and HLSL with its SM4.0 / DX10..!

Hardware-accelerated geometry & displacement shaders in DX10 - that just has to be cool..
..millions upon millions of triangles at 60+ fps in the viewports, right..?

But seriously, I really hope the OpenGL community don't "give up"
- even if D3D is faster for developing "games stuff",
OpenGL is better for creating many other sorts of things, because it's not as "template- / wizard-like" as D3D.
At least, that is what I have read.
Also, not giving Microsoft monopoly in everything is always a nice thing, of course.

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