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Default 06-10-2004, 16:02 | posts: 3,116 | Location: Dallas, TX.

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I would tend to believe that your default Texture and Mipmap detail are set @ High Quality.
That is correct...they are on high.


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no way you score those results.
Sorry Blue...thats my score on high IQ. I have never ran this benchmark with low or medium settings with this current cpu/video combo. Maybe I should, just to see how high...but that isnt the way the bench should be ran for comparison to other peoples rigs.

I'm 35yrs old. I'm not 13 trying to impress people with high scores(not saying you are, just making a point). I'm not going to lie about a benchmark. There's no reason to. I post scores from default settings, and I want people to do the same. That way, people can gauge if their rig is running smooth or not, comparing it to similar rigs. Or, maybe they'll want to go out and spend some money to upgrade.

BTW, I had a BFG 5900nu (clocked at ultra), and replaced it with a 9800pro. My scores went up all the way across the board.

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my P4 is quit fast enough even @ stock.
Yes it is. You have a great rig.

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Default 06-10-2004, 19:36 | posts: 2,690 | Location: Near New Orleans, La.

I got you bet @ 41 years old You really should try then cause I've seen a lot of ATI's run AQM3 and they don't score what your's has unless the driver is turned to Low or Off for those settings even overclocked.

Post your AQM3 results before and after making the runs for a comparison, the direct links like below my Sig picture. Mine @ default settings and overclocked drops to around 46000.
   
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Default 06-10-2004, 19:55 | posts: 3,116 | Location: Dallas, TX.

This is going to sound strange, but I put the settings to "optimal performance"(keeping 4x AF on by default, as is set in bench, application pref in driver) and the score went down about 200 points. Has anyone ever heard of that happening??? The picture quality went down a bit too, as I expected it to. But the lower score? :shrugs:

I know in nvidia drivers, you can force the 4x AF off for everything. Are you running it with 4x AF forced off? In the ATI driver panel, you either have application preference, or 2x AF as minimum.
   
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Default 06-10-2004, 20:02 | posts: 2,690 | Location: Near New Orleans, La.

I think where the problem comes in is that using AA and AF enabled in the driver causes a problem where they are already being set in the benchmark. That's why just about all people turn it to OFF in the driver. Just try the lowest setting with the ATI driver.

Kinda like with Far Cry. You get problems running AA and AF in both the driver and game. They need to be set to one or the other. I usually set mine to application control in the driver then adjust AA and AF in the game settings.
   
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Default 06-10-2004, 20:03 | posts: 3,116 | Location: Dallas, TX.

I just ran it again, going into drivers forcing 2x AF instead of 4x. I scored 48820...thats with IQ set to high. Let me figure out how this submit online thing works. I'll post 'em.
   
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Default 06-10-2004, 20:06 | posts: 2,690 | Location: Near New Orleans, La.

Can you set the IQ to Low? Which should be the equivalent to High Performance using nVIDIA.
   
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Default 06-10-2004, 20:08 | posts: 3,116 | Location: Dallas, TX.

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Just try the lowest setting with the ATI driver.
I did. I put AA and AF to app preference, and set the overall to optimal performance...which puts the texture and mipmap to performance(which is low setting). When I ran it like that, the score dropped to barely over 48k from 48206.

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Default 06-10-2004, 20:12 | posts: 2,690 | Location: Near New Orleans, La.

That's very odd. It should have speedup the score.

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Default 06-10-2004, 20:35 | posts: 3,116 | Location: Dallas, TX.

Here's a result at default(this is with driver settings at default...high IQ)

http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_vie...run=1084558345

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Default 06-11-2004, 02:20 | posts: 2,690 | Location: Near New Orleans, La.

That's a very good score and a excellent score on the CPU. It's just seems the graphic score relates to one where the driver is turned down. I don't know I won't doubt you anymore since I'm no ATI expert, maybe do one again with the driver on Low or Application Control.

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Default 06-11-2004, 02:58 | posts: 3,116 | Location: Dallas, TX.

blue,

my gfx score is 6300. Your gfx score is 7185. Thats almost 1k diff. You're running with IQ on low, so it would make sense that your gfx score is higher.

I just think the 9800pro is a faster card than a 5900nu. I have a BFG 5900nu. It was my main card before I bought the 9800 pro. I had it flashed to a 5950, and the 9800pro still beat it(both being overclocked of course). I ran the test above with everything set in driver to application preference, and high quality on mipmap and texture. The benchmark runs at default image quality of high, with 4x AF on. Here is a score with everything the same, except mip and texture set to performance.


http://arc.aquamark3.com/arc/arc_view.php?run=413479231

It went down just a little. I dont know what its doing, but it runs and looks best on high IQ.

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Default 06-11-2004, 04:52 | posts: 2,690 | Location: Near New Orleans, La.

That is odd cause using it @ the Default setting enables AA 4x which will look better but should slow down the frame rate. Putting it to Application Control, if I'm not mistaken, sets it to 2x meaning a higher frame @ a lower IQ yet increasing the score.
   
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Turn AA and AF to OFF|Image Settings to High Performance|Mipmaps to None|Vysnc to OFF|Overclock as much as possible (you knew that though) and remember the 1st thing to do is open up the msconfig utility and disable everything loading in the Start Up Folder. Reboot and try again.

Also what are your memory Latency timings running @?

From past experiences with Aquamark3 the WHQL 53.03 drv. worked best.

Your CPU score should be around: 9800 to 10000
Your GFX score should be around: 7000 to 7400

putting you around 52000 I would think.
Isn't that kinda like cheating? Of course you are gonna get a high score if u set everything to look like crap. I can even do that too and gain 400 pts in 3dmark03. You have to benchmark the way everybody does.
   
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Default 06-11-2004, 06:24 | posts: 2,690 | Location: Near New Orleans, La.

No it's not cheating and the image doesn't look like crap. I'll get some screen shots if you want 'em to prove it. Like I said before anybody that knows uses this method with a nVIDIA card. If it was considered cheating AQM3/Massive Development wouldn't allow it. Go ask 'em for yourself: Cheated Am3 Scores

By default AQM3 will test your graphics card at a resolution of (1024x768 pixels) in 32bit color mode. Anti Aliasing (AA) is disabled and 4x Anisotropic Filtering (AF) is enabled.

If you go setting your GFX's AA and AF to run to something different than what the benchmark is doing your going to be slowed down. Application Preference would be the proper setting for an ATI.
   
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