5900xt -> 5950 / Quadro FX 3000

tonytse · *Last edited by tonytse; 03-05-2004 at 05:18.*

I am looking to buy "WinFast A350XT TDH" 5900XT chip set!
Is is prossible to mod it into 5950 ??(better FX3000)

I searched many web site . but NO ONE have a clearlly method to mod this card. here are some method but anyone can tell me where can i find the tools and information

1. Update BIOS
2. Hardware mod
3. software?

Is it need 1+2 or 1+3 to do that???

finally have any result after 5900XT->5950 and a real 5950 performance test???

Thanks very very much

AlecRyben · 03-05-2004, 18:41 | posts: 7,781 | Location: Utopia Planitia, Mars

It's possible to hardmod it with a resistor move on the chip itself and by modifying the BIOS of the card. It's also possible to softmod it with 45.XX drivers and the newest RivaTuner.

The problem is that it will still not be a perfect Quadro 3000 "clone" - the AA lines (antialiased lines) will be slow as hell.

If you really need a Quadro you should buy one. The Quadro 4 9XX have dropped in price tremendously (about $180-200 on eBay).

Bluefirexp · 03-05-2004, 19:44 | posts: 591 | Location: Stuttgart

AlecRyben- what are you talking about???Did you ever mod and use a Quadro card, i don't think so. AA is SUPERFAST on Quadroed 5900FX>FX3000 cards. ONLY ugs bench in specviewperf is slow, but this has NOTHING to do with the true performance in 3dsmax for example. I run 16AA, Aniso=8 in autocad and 3dsmax and it's fast as hell.

AlecRyben · 03-06-2004, 02:56 | posts: 7,781 | Location: Utopia Planitia, Mars

Bluefirexp, you seem to be confusing AA lines performance with FSAA performance - two totally different subjects.
Unwinder knows this very well and has reached the same conclusion as me - he has resolved a similar confusion in a different thread just like i am doing it right now.

Only GeForce FX 5800/5800U can be completely converted into a Quadro FX 2000 since the AA lines perform the same after the modification.

I have used a lot of GeForces & Quadros and i can definitely say that AA lines performance in softquadroed or hardware modded GeForce FX 5900/5950 is not even close to the AA lines performance of the genuine Quadro FX 3000

And next time, please do not take for granted that people with a newbie Guru3D status are actually newbies themselves - there are meny expirienced members around here that don't have a guru status...

tonytse · 03-06-2004, 08:58 | posts: 2

that mean ONLY install the software , and i can get mod??

Bluefirexp · *Last edited by Bluefirexp; 03-06-2004 at 13:39.*

AlecRyben- you're right, that TRUE Quadros are faster with AA. I wouldn't have posted, if this was your statement. I just replied coz of your "slow as hell" description of softmodded FX cards running under AA, which shows that you're not as Guru as you think. Also i didn't talk about FSAA anywhere, we both talked about AA.

loop29 · 03-06-2004, 15:11 | posts: 704 | Location: Nürnberg, Germany

Oh well, let me share the experience I made. Yesterday I faced some problems with my system. It starts acting weird cause it is really time to setup new system. It is working since 2001 with many installations and uninstalls...switching drivers and so on. In that time one hd was going down the drain. Lately I have BSOD sometimes with graphics driver sometimes win2k.sys. However, I thought it´s maybe time to update all drivers and using 53.03 just for the sake stable word processing and 2D work. Before I was running 45.20 patched for Quadro FX 2000. I really wondered how laggy the system became after using 53.03 and card as a Geforce FX 5800. I got lockups in direct3d. So my conclusion from that one experience is, let it run as a quadro and it will ease up your life in almost anything, even if it lacks support for AA lines as in case of 5900.

regards

AlecRyben · 03-06-2004, 17:36 | posts: 7,781 | Location: Utopia Planitia, Mars

Bluefirexp said:
"I just replied coz of your "slow as hell" description of softmodded FX cards running under AA, which shows that you're not as Guru as you think."

If you think that almost 4:1 difference in Unigraphics (UGS) performance between a real Quadro 3000 and a softquadro 5900 is not "slow as hell" than i take my statement back and admit i was wrong.

Of course, if you don't use Houdini, Pro Engineer & Unigraphics (which are by default using the AA lines) you are not missing a thing... and i have seen many Maya modelers that always use the "smooth lines" option because it helps tremendeously in viewing very complex wireframes

Bluefirexp · *Last edited by Bluefirexp; 03-06-2004 at 18:15.*

look- i work with Autocad, 3dsmax, Rhino3D, Nemetschek, Cinema4D. These are world leading applications for CAD and Modelling. When i enable the "smooth lines" as you called them, i GET them, it's visible- my wireframe viewports show an impressive smoothness of the lines. The same in shaded viewports. Without AA enabled quality is much worse. So why should i care about UGS, when in the applications that i mentioned i get perfect image Quality and performance with 16x AA enabled. I don't get the slow performance as the UGS benchmarks simulates. I enabled anything possible, there is nothing more left that is not set to the max. So what is the setting, which i should enable, so that i get poor performance?? I don't see it. SO in terms of the above mentioned applications there is NO difference between a true Quadro and my softmodded.
So explain, i really don't understand what you think that i'm doing wrong?

AlecRyben · 03-06-2004, 22:56 | posts: 7,781 | Location: Utopia Planitia, Mars

You are not doing anything wrong, i was just trying to prove that there are differences between a real Quadro FX 3000 and a softmoded GeForce FX 59XX... nothing more and nothing less.

If you want to check it for yourself- try this:

Disable OpenGL FSAA completely, start MAX, set Maxtreme to "Speed"
Open the Wireframe1.max or Wireframe2.max (you can find them on the second CD in the zip file with the other benchmarks).
Play the animation. Notice the FPS rate.
Set the "Line Antialiasing" for wireframe views option in Maxtreme to on. Play the animation. Notice the FPS rate.

On a real quadro FX 3000 the FPS rate should be the SAME.
On a softmodded GeForce FX 59XX there will be a considerable drop in performance.

**one thing to remember -** 03-10-2004, 08:11 | posts: n/a

one thing to remember, the real deal is ant cheap... which is why we mod.

AlecRyben · 03-10-2004, 21:02 | posts: 7,781 | Location: Utopia Planitia, Mars

Well if your budget is really tight and you really like the AA lines thingy to be the same as the true Quadro FX, i would recommend getting the 5800/5800 Ultra (it can be had for $180-$200 on Ebay) and a softquadro mod to the 45.28 drivers - with the Ultra you will have an even higher performing Quadro FX 2000 than the original since the original is set to 5800 Non-Ultra speeds for GPU/MEM.
But beware, it will have to be a Leadtek as it's the only silent cooled FX 5800/5800 Ultra solution out there. The others will probably destroy your sense of hearing and annoy you with the "whining".

I wish you much of luck with your work and the modding!

And i really envy the lucky winners of the AlienWare challenge ( http://www.cgnetworks.com/alienware/ ) who are probably extremely happy they got genuine Quadro FX 3000 cards...

AlecRyben · 03-19-2004, 06:34 | posts: 7,781 | Location: Utopia Planitia, Mars

For whom it may concern, there is a boxed Leadtek A300 (FX 5800 Non-Ultra) on EBay right now selling for $169

And no, i am not the seller...