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Intel Six Core Lineup exposed - Core i7-8700K and Core i5-8600K
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Default Intel Six Core Lineup exposed - Core i7-8700K and Core i5-8600K - 07-17-2017, 16:34 | posts: 29,292 | Location: Guru3D testlab

We've been talking and debating intel Coffee Lake for some time now. new information surfaced on the web, including SKU names and base clock frequencies. The big daddy proc would be theÂ*Core i7 8700...

Intel Six Core Lineup exposed - Core i7-8700K and Core i5-8600K
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 16:38 | posts: 110

This is what AMD has given us. Intel has been able and willing to offer 6 core / 12 thread mainstream performance parts for years but had no one pushing the market. They are using the same 14nm process just bumping to 6 cores to compete with AMD's 8 core parts. Hopefully this starts a back and forth in the mainstream performance segments of one pushing the other 6 months apart.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 16:43 | posts: 762 | Location: UK

Just need to know how many PCIe lanes the 6 core 12 thread supports and how much RAM it can handle. If the price tag is decent then maybe it will do well.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 16:50 | posts: 213 | Location: Belmont, Michigan

What's with the slow clock speeds? Nowadays the clock speeds should be at least 4Ghz minimum.

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Default 07-17-2017, 17:04 | posts: 351 | Location: Montreal Canada

Intel could easily release an 8 core mainstream model if they would only remove that IGP. It would cost the same or less to produce considering it doesn't need to waste resource on the igp part of the die.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 17:12 | posts: 533 | Location: Finland

I hope these won't suffer from poor core to core latency just like I9-7900x does. That's by assuming these come with mesh, instead of ring-bus.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 17:18 | posts: 92

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Intel could easily release an 8 core mainstream model if they would only remove that IGP. It would cost the same or less to produce considering it doesn't need to waste resource on the igp part of the die.
I'm always impressed at the amount of insider information some people seem to have on the interwebz ...
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 17:28 | posts: 47 | Location: Midwest U.S.A.

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Just need to know how many PCIe lanes the 6 core 12 thread supports and how much RAM it can handle. If the price tag is decent then maybe it will do well.

I read somewhere 16 - 3.0 PCIe lanes from the proc. Same as Kaby Lake/Skylake. Not certain about RAM.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 17:33 | posts: 26

Im still waiting to upgrade my i7 4790k, id love a 6 or 8 core with min base clock of 4ghz, not going to settle for less
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 17:39 | posts: 1,908 | Location: Mars

This CPUs are only interesting to me in case they can be used with Z270 MBs so they can provide a future upgrade path. Otherwise i donīt care.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 18:11 | posts: 657 | Location: St. Petersburg

I was expecting at least 4.0ghz. Intel is really desperate isnt it?
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 18:14 | posts: 311 | Location: Portugal

So where are all the fanboys saying 4 cores for gaming is enough?
An i5 with 6 cores? How intel has changed this year...
My 2500k is still running strong, haven't even pushed more than 4.0Ghz on it.
Wont upgrade for less than 6c/16t and everyone knows i7 are overpriced BS so I know where's my money going (for now).
Also, that 8400 at 2.8Ghz...unless it turbos to 4Ghz, it will be in trouble.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 18:36 | posts: 108

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So where are all the fanboys saying 4 cores for gaming is enough?
It really is, though. At least today. In the future? Who knows. My crystal ball is on strike.

But that doesn't mean we should not innovate. The world doesn't revolve around gaming.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 18:36 | posts: 5,516 | Location: EU, CZ, Brno

Year ago, I would buy that 6C/6T on the spot. Today I consider minimum 6C/12T.

And interesting thing will come now. Because there are 2 possibilities:
1) Intel drops prices of 4C/4T & 4C/8T considerably to make space (Considering their 4C/$C pricing on X299, I do not think it will happen.)
2) Intel drops prices of 4C/4T & 4C/8T tiny bit and adds expensive 6C/6T & 6C/12T as options for those willing to pay that extra.

Either way it is bad move. In 1st case it will alienate many people who recently bought those now cheaper chips. And rest will consider price difference as big milking.
In 2nd case, big price for those new chips will not make them as attractive as AMD's.

Especially those locked ones. There is no reason to buy intel's locked ones when AMD offers equal performance at same price with OC-ability. Those unlocked ones may prove to be stronger, but price premium intel asks for unlocked chips ...

And I really wonder if intel improved IPC that much this time, so they can clock them so low.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 18:43 | posts: 929 | Location: Stockholm, Sweden

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So where are all the fanboys saying 4 cores for gaming is enough?
An i5 with 6 cores? How intel has changed this year...
My 2500k is still running strong, haven't even pushed more than 4.0Ghz on it.
Wont upgrade for less than 6c/16t and everyone knows i7 are overpriced BS so I know where's my money going (for now).
Also, that 8400 at 2.8Ghz...unless it turbos to 4Ghz, it will be in trouble.
I couldn't have said it better myself, why spend twice the amount of money on i7's for a minimal performance gain in games or Ryzen that can barley overclock?
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 18:53 | posts: 95 | Location: San Paro

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id love a 6 or 8 core with min base clock of 4ghz, not going to settle for less
I don't care about clock speed, but what I do care about is performance. I would actually prefer a higher performance part at a lower clock speed. I think higher clock speeds are the most primitive and simplistic way of achieving higher performance. Eventually you can't manufacture parts on a smaller process, and you can't practically deal with the excess heat produced by simply upping the clocks. I can't think of an Intel part that didn't perform better than the previous generation at the same clock speed.
It's not new or uncommon for new architectures to have better performance than previous architectures at the same clock speed. Remember when the Athlon64 came along and had much better performance than Intel's Pentium D at lower clocks, then Core2 came along and had much better performance than Athlon64 at lower clocks.
Megahertz has been a marketing gimmick. AMD tried to move away from it with their AthlonXP chips, using names like "3200+" for a 2.2Ghz part. AMD claimed their architecture was different than Intel's and couldn't be compared using just clock speed. They were right, and the same applies to different architectures within the Intel family.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 19:00 | posts: 34

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It really is, though. At least today. In the future? Who knows. My crystal ball is on strike.

But that doesn't mean we should not innovate. The world doesn't revolve around gaming.
Rise of the tombraider and fallout 4 would like to disagre with you , i se RoTB max out my i5 4460 in a lot of instances , same for fallout 4 , so no 4 cores are not enough for gaming , and that's only two of the games i play , i am pretty shure there are more who enjoy more cores.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 19:02 | posts: 2,175 | Location: Temeswar, Romania

I moved from an 2500k @ 5ghz to this 6700k and i have @stock double the fps that i had at 5ghz with that 2500k while playing GW2 in crowded areas. It all depends on what you're playing.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 19:04 | posts: 8,328 | Location: FLA,USA

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Rise of the tombraider and fallout 4 would like to disagre with you , i se RoTB max out my i5 4460 in a lot of instances , same for fallout 4 , so no 4 cores are not enough for gaming , and that's only two of the games i play , i am pretty shure there are more who enjoy more cores.
Fallout 4 is a bad game engine. RoTR is just fine on a i7. Yes 4 cores are becoming inadequate however they will still be viable gaming CPU's for a while still.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 19:10 | posts: 1,908 | Location: Mars

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So where are all the fanboys saying 4 cores for gaming is enough?
For now is more than enough. In the future, i really donīt know. In case more cores are needed it would be cool to have a CPU that i can simply slot in my system instead of having to buy a new MB and RAM. Simple as that.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 19:18 | posts: 311 | Location: Portugal

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I moved from an 2500k @ 5ghz to this 6700k and i have @stock double the fps that i had at 5ghz with that 2500k while playing GW2 in crowded areas. It all depends on what you're playing.
Having a 1080 you sure saw difference. I had a R9 270X and was hoping to get an RX570. I wouldn't notice a single frame difference between 2500k and 6700k.

Battlefield 1 also uses well past 4 cores. Give him 8 cores and it will use them all.
i7 choke on that game.

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For now is more than enough. In the future, i really donīt know. In case more cores are needed it would be cool to have a CPU that i can simply slot in my system instead of having to buy a new MB and RAM. Simple as that.
No, it is not. Specially if you wanna stream/record. Plenty of games can use more than 4 cores. You bought intel so you're ****ed: want a new CPU? buy a new motherboard. As for DDR4, the next gen is still some time away.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 19:20 | posts: 674

No no no. They did make that release happen sooner because of AMD's dominance. We should not support intel for a couple of years. They should learn by their mistakes and greed. Unless someone is a console gamer with 1080ti and i9 who doesnt love evolution and he is not a true part of pc master race group.
   
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Having a 1080 you sure saw difference. I had a R9 270X and was hoping to get an RX570. I wouldn't notice a single frame difference between 2500k and 6700k.
Had a 780 Ghz edition back then, but yea i see your point.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 19:50 | posts: 472 | Location: Maryland

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Right, cause no one ever buys a computer to do more than gaming and ocing.

And buying a certain part only because it can oc, means you're not willing to get the next faster one (for whatever reason) and has nothing to do with the product, nor does it make it "better" than another.
Neither intel nor amd will guarantee any clocks beyond stock anyway, so no difference between them.

And sure, isee the value of being able to oc chips, but so far I've seen more gains in adding cores rather than cranking up clocks (cpu) and would have gone for a 6/8C, and wouldn't even care if its locked.

I dont mind losing a bit ocing headroom (vs intel) as i spend less than what a 7700 cost, while outperforming 58xx/68xx (even oced ones), with R7 running stock clock (just ask ppl in the forum that already got them).

And to be able to "extend" usage/timeframe a bit because i can raise clocks a little in a few years, is nice,
but I will never waste money on an unlocked intel again.

Especially since clocks are getting less relevant, besides benchmarks or single thread software.
   
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Default 07-17-2017, 19:54 | posts: 113 | Location: Canada

I have little interest in hexa-core CPUs, but hopefully they will encourage game developers to develop for more cores/threads. Of course modern games run well on quad-cores, but I think the very fact that 6- and 8-core CPUs were limited to the extreme high-end provided a disincentive for developers to code for more than four cores (it would be a waste of time, money and resources to optimize games for the 0.1% of gamers with more than four cores).

That being said, I think quad-cores will dominate for a few more years. After all, there are quite a number of users on Steam who are still using dual-core CPUs. Change doesn't happen that quickly.
   
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